Showing posts with label IRISH SEA. Show all posts
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Saturday, 26 October 2013

FUK U UK ACROSS THE IRISH SEA




 


Fukushima - A Global Threat That Requires a Global Response                

By Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers
October 25, 2013 "Information Clearing House - The story of Fukushima should be on the front pages of every newspaper. Instead, it is rarely mentioned. The problems at Fukushima are unprecedented in human experience and involve a high risk of radiation events larger than any that the global community has ever experienced. It is going to take the best engineering minds in the world to solve these problems and to diminish their global impact.

When we researched the realities of Fukushima in preparation for this article, words like apocalyptic, cataclysmic and Earth-threatening came to mind. But, when we say such things, people react as if we were the little red hen screaming "the sky is falling" and the reports are ignored. So, we’re going to present what is known in this article and you can decide whether we are facing a potentially cataclysmic event.
Either way, it is clear that the problems at Fukushima demand that the world’s best nuclear engineers and other experts advise and assist in the efforts to solve them. Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen ofFairewinds.org and an international team of scientists created a 15-point plan to address the crises at Fukushima.
A subcommittee of the Green Shadow Cabinet (of which we are members), which includes long-time nuclear activist Harvey Wasserman, is circulating a sign-on letter and a petition calling on the United Nations and Japanese government to put in place the Gundersen et al plan and to provide 24-hour media access to information about the crises at Fukushima. There is also a call for international days of action on the weekend of November 9 and 10. The letter and petitions will be delivered to the UN on November 11 which is both Armistice Day and the 32nd month anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that caused the Fukushima nuclear disaster.
The Problems of Fukushima
There are three major problems at Fukushima: (1) Three reactor cores are missing; (2) Radiated water has been leaking from the plant in mass quantities for 2.5 years; and (3) Eleven thousand spent nuclear fuel rods, perhaps the most dangerous things ever created by humans, are stored at the plant and need to be removed, 1,533 of those are in a very precarious and dangerous position. Each of these three could result in dramatic radiation events, unlike any radiation exposure humans have ever experienced.  We’ll discuss them in order, saving the most dangerous for last.
Missing reactor cores:  Since the accident at Fukushima on March 11, 2011, three reactor cores have gone missing.  There was an unprecedented three reactor ‘melt-down.’ These melted cores, called corium lavas, are thought to have passed through the basements of reactor buildings 1, 2 and 3, and to be somewhere in the ground underneath. 
Harvey Wasserman, who has been working on nuclear energy issues for over 40 years, tells us that during those four decades no one ever talked about the possibility of a multiple meltdown, but that is what occurred at Fukushima. 
It is an unprecedented situation to not know where these cores are. TEPCO is pouring water where they think the cores are, but they are not sure. There are occasional steam eruptions coming from the grounds of the reactors, so the cores are thought to still be hot.
The concern is that the corium lavas will enter or may have already entered the aquifer below the plant. That would contaminate a much larger area with radioactive elements. Some suggest that it would require the area surrounding Tokyo, 40 million people, to be evacuated. Another concern is that if the corium lavas enter the aquifer, they could create a "super-heated pressurized steam reaction beneath a layer of caprock causing a major 'hydrovolcanic' explosion."
A further concern is that a large reserve of groundwater which is coming in contact with the corium lavas is migrating towards the ocean at the rate of four meters per month. This could release greater amounts of radiation than were released in the early days of the disaster.
Radioactive water leaking into the Pacific Ocean:  TEPCO did not admit that leaks of radioactive waterwere occurring until July of this year. Shunichi Tanaka the head of Japan’s Nuclear Regulation Authority finally told reporters this July that radioactive water has been leaking into the Pacific Ocean since the disaster hit over two years ago. This is the largest single contribution of radionuclides to the marine environment ever observed according to a report by the French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety.  The Japanese government finally admitted that the situation was urgent this September – an emergency they did not acknowledge until 2.5 years after the water problem began.
How much radioactive water is leaking into the ocean? An estimated 300 tons (71,895 gallons/272,152 liters) of contaminated water is flowing into the ocean every day.  The first radioactive ocean plumereleased by the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster will take three years to reach the shores of the United States.  This means, according to a new study from the University of New South Wales, the United States will experience the first radioactive water coming to its shores sometime in early 2014.
One month after Fukushima, the FDA announced it was going to stop testing fish in the Pacific Ocean for radiation.  But, independent research is showing that every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has been contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima. Daniel Madigan, the marine ecologist who led the Stanford University study from May of 2012 was quoted in the Wall Street Journal saying, "The tuna packaged it up (the radiation) and brought it across the world’s largest ocean. We were definitely surprised to see it at all and even more surprised to see it in every one we measured." Marine biologist Nicholas Fisher of Stony Brook University in New York State, another member of the study group, said: "We found that absolutely every one of them had comparable concentrations of cesium 134 and cesium 137."
In addition, Science reports that fish near Fukushima are being found to have high levels of the radioactive isotope, cesium-134. The levels found in these fish are not decreasing,  which indicates that radiation-polluted water continues to leak into the ocean. At least 42 fish species from the area around the plant are considered unsafe.  South Korea has banned Japanese fish as a result of the ongoing leaks.
The half-life (time it takes for half of the element to decay) of cesium 134 is 2.0652 years. For cesium 137, the half-life is 30.17 years. Cesium does not sink to the ocean floor, so fish swim through it. What are the human impacts of cesium?
When contact with radioactive cesium occurs, which is highly unlikely, a person can experience cell damage due to radiation of the cesium particles. Due to this, effects such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and bleeding may occur. When the exposure lasts a long time, people may even lose consciousness. Coma or even death may then follow. How serious the effects are depends upon the resistance of individual persons and the duration of exposure and the concentration a person is exposed to, experts say.
There is no end in sight from the leakage of radioactive water into the Pacific from Fukushima.  Harvey Wasserman is questioning whether fishing in the Pacific Ocean will be safe after years of leakage from Fukushima.  The World Health Organization (WHO) is claiming that this will have limited effect on human health, with concentrations predicted to be below WHO safety levels. However, experts seriously question the WHO’s claims.
The United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Radiation is in the process of writing a reportto assess the radiation doses and associated effects on health and environment. When finalized, it will be the most comprehensive scientific analysis of the information available to date examining how much radioactive material was released, how it was dispersed over land and water, how Fukushima compares to previous accidents, what the impact is on the environment and food, and what the impact is on human health and the environment.
Wasserman warns that "dilution is no solution."  The fact that the Pacific Ocean is large does not change the fact that these radioactive elements have long half-lives.  Radiation in water is taken up by vegetation, then smaller fish eat the vegetation, larger fish eat the smaller fish and at the top of the food chain we will find fish like tuna, dolphin and whales with concentrated levels of radiation. Humans at the top of the food chain could be eating these contaminated fish.
As bad as the ongoing leakage of radioactive water is into the Pacific, that is not the largest part of the water problem.  The Asia-Pacific Journal reported last month that TEPCO has 330,000 tons of water stored in 1,000 above-ground tanks and an undetermined amount in underground storage tanks.  Every day, 400 tons of water comes to the site from the mountains, 300 tons of that is the source for the contaminated water leaking into the Pacific daily. It is not clear where the rest of this water goes.  
Each day TEPCO injects 400 tons of water into the destroyed facilities to keep them cool; about half is recycled, and the rest goes into the above-ground tanks. They are constantly building new storage tanks for this radioactive water. The tanks being used for storage were put together rapidly and are already leaking. They expect to have 800,000 tons of radioactive water stored on the site by 2016.  Harvey Wasserman warns that these unstable tanks are at risk of rupture if there is another earthquake or storm that hits Fukushima. The Asia-Pacific Journal concludes: "So at present there is no real solution to the water problem."
The most recent news on the water problem at Fukushima adds to the concerns. On October 11, 2013, TEPCO disclosed that the radioactivity level spiked 6,500 times at a Fukushima well.  "TEPCO said the findings show that radioactive substances like strontium have reached the groundwater. High levels of tritium, which transfers much easier in water than strontium, had already been detected."
Spent Fuel Rods:  As bad as the problems of radioactive water and missing cores are, the biggest problem at Fukushima comes from the spent fuel rods.  The plant has been in operation for 40 years. As a result, they are storing 11 thousand spent fuel rods on the grounds of the Fukushima plant. These fuel rods are composed of highly radioactive materials such as plutonium and uranium. They are about the width of a thumb and about 15 feet long.
The biggest and most immediate challenge is the 1,533 spent fuel rods packed tightly in a pool four floors above Reactor 4.  Before the storm hit, those rods had been removed for routine maintenance of the reactor.  But, now they are stored 100 feet in the air in damaged racks.  They weigh a total of 400 tons and contain radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released by the Hiroshima atomic bomb.
The building in which these rods are stored has been damaged. TEPCO reinforced it with a steel frame, but the building itself is buckling and sagging, vulnerable to collapse if another earthquake or storm hits the area. Additionally, the ground under and around the building is becoming saturated with water, which further undermines the integrity of the structure and could cause it to tilt.
How dangerous are these fuel rods?  Harvey Wasserman explains that the fuel rods are clad in zirconium which can ignite if they lose coolant. They could also ignite or explode if rods break or hit each other. Wasserman reports that some say this could result in a fission explosion like an atomic bomb, others say that is not what would happen, but agree it would be "a reaction like we have never seen before, a nuclear fire releasing incredible amounts of radiation," says Wasserman.
These are not the only spent fuel rods at the plant, they are just the most precarious.  There are 11,000 fuel rods scattered around the plant, 6,000 in a cooling pool less than 50 meters from the sagging Reactor 4.  If a fire erupts in the spent fuel pool at Reactor 4, it could ignite the rods in the cooling pool and lead to an even greater release of radiation. It could set off a chain reaction that could not be stopped.
What would happen? Wasserman reports that the plant would have to be evacuated.  The workers who are essential to preventing damage at the plant would leave, and we will have lost a critical safeguard.  In addition, the computers will not work because of the intense radiation. As a result we would be blind - the world would have to sit and wait to see what happened. You might have to not only evacuate Fukushima but all of the population in and around Tokyo, reports Wasserman. 
There is no question that the 1,533 spent fuel rods need to be removed.  But Arnie Gundersen, a veteran nuclear engineer and director of Fairewinds Energy Education, who used to build fuel assemblies, told Reuters "They are going to have difficulty in removing a significant number of the rods." He described the problem in a radio interview:
"If you think of a nuclear fuel rack as a pack of cigarettes, if you pull a cigarette straight up it will come out — but these racks have been distorted. Now when they go to pull the cigarette straight out, it’s going to likely break and release radioactive cesium and other gases, xenon and krypton, into the air. I suspect come November, December, January we’re going to hear that the building’s been evacuated, they’ve broke a fuel rod, the fuel rod is off-gassing."
Wasserman builds on the analogy, telling us it is "worse than pulling cigarettes out of a crumbled cigarette pack." It is likely they used salt water as a coolant out of desperation, which would cause corrosion because the rods were never meant to be in salt water.  The condition of the rods is unknown. There is debris in the coolant, so there has been some crumbling from somewhere. Gundersen  adds, "The roof has fallen in, which further distorted the racks," noting that if a fuel rod snaps, it will release radioactive gas which will require at a minimum evacuation of the plant. They will release those gases into the atmosphere and try again.
The Japan Times writes: "The consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere, putting much of Japan — including Tokyo and Yokohama — and even neighboring countries at serious risk."  
This is not the usual moving of fuel rods.  TEPCO has been saying this is routine, but in fact it is unique – a feat of engineering never done before.  As Gundersen says:
"Tokyo Electric is portraying this as easy. In a normal nuclear reactor, all of this is done with computers. Everything gets pulled perfectly vertically. Well nothing is vertical anymore, the fuel racks are distorted, it’s all going to have to be done manually. The net effect is it’s a really difficult job. It wouldn’t surprise me if they snapped some of the fuel and they can’t remove it."
Gregory Jaczko, Former Chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission concurs with Gundersen describing the removal of the spent fuel rods as "a very significant activity, and . . . very, very unprecedented."
Wasserman sums the challenge up: "We are doing something never done before – bent, crumbling, brittle fuel rods being removed from a pool that is compromised, in a building that is sinking, sagging and buckling, and it all must done under manual control, not with computers."  And the potential damage from failure would affect hundreds of millions of people.
The Solutions
The three major problems at Fukushima are all unprecedented, each unique in their own way and each has the potential for major damage to humans and the environment. There are no clear solutions but there are steps that need to be taken urgently to get the Fukushima clean-up and de-commissioning on track and minimize the risks.
The first thing that is needed is to end the media blackout.  The global public needs to be informed about the issues the world faces from Fukushima.  The impacts of Fukushima could affect almost everyone on the planet, so we all have a stake in the outcome.  If the public is informed about this problem, the political will to resolve it will rapidly develop.
The nuclear industry, which wants to continue to expand, fears Fukushima being widely discussed because it undermines their already weak economic potential.  But, the profits of the nuclear industry are of minor concern compared to the risks of the triple Fukushima challenges. 
The second thing that must be faced is the incompetence of TEPCO.  They are not capable of handling this triple complex crisis. TEPCO "is already Japan’s most distrusted firm" and has been exposed as "dangerously incompetent."  A poll found that 91 percent of the Japanese public wants the government to intervene at Fukushima.
Tepco’s management of the stricken power plant has been described as a comedy of errors. The constant stream of mistakes has been made worse by constant false denials and efforts to minimize major problems. Indeed the entire Fukushima catastrophe could have been avoided:
"Tepco at first blamed the accident on ‘an unforeseen massive tsunami’ triggered by the Great East Japan Earthquake on March 11, 2011. Then it admitted it had in fact foreseen just such a scenario but hadn’t done anything about it."
The reality is Fukushima was plagued by human error from the outset.  An official Japanese government investigation concluded that the Fukushima accident was a "man-made" disaster, caused by "collusion" between government and Tepco and bad reactor design. On this point, TEPCO is not alone, this is an industry-wide problem. Many US nuclear plants have serious problems, are being operated beyond their life span, have the same design problems and are near earthquake faults. Regulatory officials in both the US and Japan are too corruptly tied to the industry.
Then, the meltdown itself was denied for months, with TEPCO claiming it had not been confirmed. Japan Times reports that "in December 2011, the government announced that the plant had reached ‘a state of cold shutdown.’ Normally, that means radiation releases are under control and the temperature of its nuclear fuel is consistently below boiling point."  Unfortunately, the statement was false – the reactors continue to need water to keep them cool, the fuel rods need to be kept cool – there has been no cold shutdown.
TEPCO has done a terrible job of cleaning up the plant.  Japan Times describes some of the problems:
"The plant is being run on makeshift equipment and breakdowns are endemic. Among nearly a dozen serious problems since April this year there have been successive power outages, leaks of highly radioactive water from underground water pools — and a rat that chewed enough wires to short-circuit a switchboard, causing a power outage that interrupted cooling for nearly 30 hours. Later, the cooling system for a fuel-storage pool had to be switched off for safety checks when two dead rats were found in a transformer box." 
TEPCO has been constantly cutting financial corners and not spending enough to solve the challenges of the Fukushima disaster resulting in shoddy practices that cause environmental damage. Washington’s Blog reports that the Japanese government is spreading radioactivity throughout Japan – and other countries – by burning radioactive waste in incinerators not built to handle such toxic substances. Workers have expressed concerns and even apologized for following order regarding the ‘clean-up.’
Indeed, the workers are another serious concern. The Guardian reported in October 2013 the plummeting morale of workers, problems of alcohol abuse, anxiety, loneliness, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and depression. TEPCO cut the pay of its workers by 20 percent in 2011 to save money even though these workers are doing very difficult work and face constant problems. Outside of work, many were traumatized by being forced to evacuate their homes after the Tsunami; and they have no idea how exposed to radiation they have been and what health consequences they will suffer. Contractors are hired based on the lowest bid, resulting in low wages for workers. According to the Guardian, Japan's top nuclear regulator, Shunichi Tanaka, told reporters: "Mistakes are often linked to morale. People usually don't make silly, careless mistakes when they're motivated and working in a positive environment. The lack of it, I think, may be related to the recent problems."
The history of TEPCO shows we cannot trust this company and its mistreated workforce to handle the complex challenges faced at Fukushima. The crisis at Fukushima is a global one, requiring a global solution.
In an open letter to the United Nations, 16 top nuclear experts urged the government of Japan to transfer responsibility for the Fukushima reactor site to a worldwide engineering group overseen by a civil society panel and an international group of nuclear experts independent from TEPCO and the International Atomic Energy Administration , IAEA. They urge that the stabilization, clean-up and de-commissioning of the plant be well-funded. They make this request with "urgency" because the situation at the Fukushima plant is "progressively deteriorating, not stabilizing." 
Beyond the clean-up, they are also critical of the estimates by the World Health Organization and IAEA of the health and environmental damage caused by the Fukushima disaster and they recommend more accurate methods of accounting, as well as the gathering of data to ensure more accurate estimates. They also want to see the people displaced by Fukushima treated in better ways; and they urge that the views of indigenous people who never wanted the uranium removed from their lands be respected in the future as their views would have prevented this disaster.
Facing Reality
The problems at Fukushima are in large part about facing reality – seeing the challenges, risks and potential harms from the incident. It is about TEPCO and Japan facing the reality that they are not equipped to handle the challenges of Fukushima and need the world to join the effort. 
Facing reality is a common problem throughout the nuclear industry and those who continue to push for nuclear energy. Indeed, it is a problem with many energy issues. We must face the reality of the long-term damage being done to the planet and the people by the carbon-nuclear based energy economy. 
Another reality the nuclear industry must face is that the United States is turning away from nuclear energy and the world will do the same. As Gary Jaczko, who chaired the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission at the time of the Fukushima incident says "I’ve never seen a movie that’s set 200 years in the future and the planet is being powered by fission reactors—that’s nobody’s vision of the future. This is not a future technology." He sees US nuclear reactors as aging, many in operation beyond their original lifespan.  The economics of nuclear energy are increasingly difficult as it is a very expensive source of energy.  Further, there is no money or desire to finance new nuclear plants. "The industry is going away," he said bluntly.
Ralph Nader describes nuclear energy as "unnecessary, uneconomic, uninsurable, unevacuable and, most importantly, unsafe."  He argues it only continues to exist because the nuclear lobby pushes politicians to protect it. The point made by Nader about the inability to evacuate if there is a nuclear accident is worth underlining.  Wasserman points out that there are nuclear plants in the US that are near earthquake faults, among them are plants near Los Angeles, New York City and Washington, DC.  And, Fukushima was based on a design by General Electric, which was also used to build 23 reactors in the US.  
If we faced reality, public officials would be organizing evacuation drills in those cities.  If we did so, Americans would quickly learn that if there is a serious nuclear accident, US cities could not be evacuated. Activists making the reasonable demand for evacuation drills may be a very good strategy to end nuclear power.
Wasserman emphasizes that as bad as Fukushima is, it is not the worst case scenario for a nuclear disaster. Fukushima was 120 kilometers (75 miles) from the center of the earthquake. If that had been 20 kilometers (12 miles), the plant would have been reduced to rubble and caused an immediate nuclear catastrophe.
Another reality we need to face is a very positive one, Wasserman points out "All of our world’s energy needs could be met by solar, wind, thermal, ocean technology." His point is repeated by many top energy experts, in fact a carbon-free, nuclear-free energy economy is not only possible, it is inevitable.  The only question is how long it will take for us to get there, and how much damage will be done before we end the "all-of-the-above" energy strategy that emphasizes carbon and nuclear energy sources. 
Naoto Kan, prime minister of Japan when the disaster began, recently told an audience that he had been a supporter of nuclear power, but after the Fukushima accident, "I changed my thinking 180-degrees, completely." He realized that "no other accident or disaster" other than a nuclear plant disaster can "affect 50 million people . . . no other accident could cause such a tragedy." He pointed out that all 54 nuclear plants in Japan have now been closed and expressed confidently that "without nuclear power plants we can absolutely provide the energy to meet our demands."  In fact, since the disaster Japan has tripled its use of solar energy, to the equivalent of three nuclear plants. He believes: "If humanity really would work together . . . we could generate all our energy through renewable energy."
To learn more, click here
To hear Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers interview with Harvey Wasserman ofNukeFree.org Fukushima – A Global Threat That Requires a Global Response click here.
Kevin Zeese JD and Margaret Flowers MD co-host ClearingtheFOGRadio.org on We Act Radio 1480 AM Washington, DC and on Economic Democracy Media and on UStream.TV/ItsOurEconomy, co-direct It's Our Economy and are organizers of PopularResistance.org. Their twitters are @KBZeese and @MFlowers8.
See also -
Fuk-‘hush’-ima: Japan’s new state secrets law gags whistleblowers, raises press freedom fears: Many issues of national importance to Japan, probably including the state of the Fukushima power plant, may be designated state secrets under a new draft law. Once signed, it could see whistleblowers jailed for up to 10 years.

Wednesday, 23 October 2013

FUK U SHIMA F..UK U ..IRISH SEE





Water has overflowed at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) is attempting to discern the quality of the water and possible radioactive substances which could have been spilled.
TEPCO announced on Monday that the water overflowed in 12 areas of the plant.
Heavy rains caused water to flow over the barriers of an artificial embankment which surrounds a dozen tanks of radioactive water at the plant. TEPCO reported that liquid containing a source of beta radiation was found beyond the levees.

The company said the incident was “due to heavy rain in the Tohoku region.” Company specialists are attempting to identify the amount of leaked water and the radiation levels present in the liquid.

Radioactivity levels in a well near a storage tank at the Fukushima nuclear power plant have risen immensely, the plant’s operator earlier reported, fueling ongoing concern about the impact of radiation on the surrounding environment.

Last Wednesday, heavy rains brought with Typhoon Wipha caused reservoirs for collecting rainwater to overflow. The natural disaster was described by weather forecasters as the strongest in a decade, leaving at least 17 people dead and 50 others missing in its wake.

Workers at the Fukushima plant had to pump rainwater out of protective containers surrounding approximately 1,000 tanks holding radioactive water. It is thought that the heavy rains lifted contaminated soil.

Shortly afterwards, radiation levels were found to have skyrocketed. TEPCO officials said Friday that they detected 400,000 becquerels per liter of beta ray-emitting radioactive substances - including strontium - at the site of a well near a storage tank. The level was 6,500 times higher than readings taken Wednesday, according to NHK World.

The news showed that radioactive substances like strontium have reached the groundwater, according to the officials. In August, the same storage tank leaked over 300 tons of contaminated water.

Earlier this month, TEPCO announced that 430 liters of polluted water had spilled from a tank as the company’s employees tried to remove rainwater dumped at the plant by recent typhoons. The contaminated water may well have flowed into the sea, TEPCO said.

However, estimates still may be unreliable. The UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) raised doubts at the beginning of the month. A preliminary report published in the Japanese press concluded that estimates of radioactive substances discharged at the plant provided by the Japanese authorities, TEPCO, and other entities may have underestimated the impact of the disaster.

The power plant was disrupted in March 2011 by a massive earthquake and tsunami which wreaked havoc at Fukushima and sparked a nuclear crisis in which meltdowns occurred in three reactors.  It was considered to be the world’s worst nuclear accident since the Chernobyl disaster in 1986.

In September, a senior utility expert at Fukushima, Kazuhiko Yamashita, said that the plant was “not under control.” TEPCO downplayed his comments, saying that he had only been talking about the plant’s waste water problem – not the facility as a whole. 

Comments (82)

 

Jug Jugette 23.10.2013 02:15

The disaster that keeps on giving; here a hundred tons, there a hundred tons....
 

Suzuki Hiroshi 22.10.2013 19:37

44 cases of thyroid cancer checked in Fukushima
Associ ated Press, Oct. 22, 2013
The Japanese government has detected 44 confirmed and suspected cases of thyroid cancer among 217,000 youngsters, 18 and under, checked in Fukushima prefecture (state). Thyroid cancer among children is generally rare, estimated at only one in a million. Extensive testing of Fukushima children could account for the higher numbers.
 

Count Cash 22.10.2013 18:33

So you are just making it up as you go along, just as I thought! Like dealing with the sun, the core melting through the earth, MOX millions times worse, nothing can be done....... Its just doesn't look good does it in terms of debate. There is a debate to be had on nuclear and other matters, but just making things up doesn't get us anywhere!
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 17:04

Count Cash 22.10.2013 16:28

You need a reference for this, not some idea! Please provide! And not some nut job on you tube....
  
Again, the levels of radiation indicate more than just leaking water. No human can get close enough to the breach, to view or photograph it.
 

Count Cash 22.10.2013 16:28

You need a reference for this, not some idea! Please provide! And not some nut job on you tube....
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 16:22

Count Cash 22.10.2013 14:42

So why the melting into the ground drama?
  

Because the level of radiation being reported at Fukushima is too high to be from just leaks from the tanks. There is fission occuring underground from 1 or more of the melted cores, that has breached containment.
 

Count Cash 22.10.2013 14:42

As I said we are talking about water leaks. Now the argument switches to containment leak, which is also not a core melting into the ground. The reactors are GE BWR3 and BWR4 types. There are differences in these reactors in terms of cooling configurations… (they have different power ratings). The fuel types were also different, the MOX brings in plutonium, which has high toxicity. However, we are still talking about, containment leaks and water. So why the melting into the ground drama? Remember if these reactors had been flooded earlier (cost implication) we wouldn’t be where we are now! Cost!!!!
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 14:08

Count Cash, Reactor No. 3, at Fukushima is the reactor with the extremely dangerous MOX fuel that's two million times more deadly than regular enriched uranium. This reactor is so dangerous all by itself that it hardly matters whether Reactors 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are brought under control if Reactor No. 3 isn't. By itself, this facility could dwarf the radioactive fallout levels caused by the Chernobyl disaster, and now it appears a containment leak is very likely to have occurred at Reactor #3.
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 13:57

Count Cash 22.10.2013 13:20

”burning further each day into the earth.” Where on earth do you get this from?
  

Co unt Cash, Google search:

Pau l Gunter discusses Fukushima leaks into the ocean on RT

It is an interview with Paul Gunter, explains how the cores have been compromised.
 

Count Cash 22.10.2013 13:20

”burning further each day into the earth.” Where on earth do you get this from? The reactors are flooded, the issue is the water and what it is carrying and where. It is a direct transport mechanism to underlying water systems and the sea! The Issue is that not enough was/is being done to manage this water, it’s raining, that is a surprise! This is not the same as we had, it is a situation that should have been and is possible to control, should some level of competence and commitment be forthcoming.
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 12:55

The exposure of raditaion has affected the people of Japan in such a way, that they are no longer thinking rationally. This is what uncontrolled radiation exposure does, it damages the brain as well as other parts of the human body.
 

Mark Roman 22.10.2013 12:52

Les Hildebrand 22.10.2013 05:58

Theres only one answer now the same as russia faced a few decades back and it is to bury it in dirt and CONCREET !
  

That will not work in this case. The reactors are too close to the ocean, and the melted cores are unapproachable and out of reach, burning further each day into the earth.



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Count Cash 22.10.2013 10:22

Les, you got it, with some adaptions that is what needs to happen, not a merry old cold shutdown! The issue is that Carpco and the Japanese are in denial – see latest Japanese statements – everything under control! It doesn’t matter how many Crapco PR people appear here, the reader knows what is going on. The first stage of analysis is whether there is agreement that there is a problem, and we don’t even see that basic level of analysis. If no one agrees that there is a problem, how then can we jump to the conclusion nothing can be done!
 

Les Hildebrand 22.10.2013 05:58

Theres only one answer now the same as russia faced a few decades back and it is to bury it in dirt and CONCREET !
 

RockyFjord 22.10.2013 05:28

Almost comical. All Science can do is conceptualize and measure things and thereby pretend they are in control.
This is why the Humanities are important in higher education, so these scientists can perceive reality instead of just abstracting and conceptualizing, measuring, analyzing, and deluding themselves they are in control of reality and nature. William James warned about this. But Scientists were too witty to hear what he was saying. So now we are stuck with these
true believers who haven't a freaking clue.
 

Kim 21.10.2013 21:09

THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO. 

has reading comprehension suddenly taken a nose dive on this site?
 

Kaleilw 21.10.2013 20:14

I will not say farewell to my beloved Pacific Ocean. The idiots have been in charge for far too long, something must be done.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 19:50

Bottom line here Crapco see no problem, no issues and are cycling through normal management actions! There just isn't a big problem for them as tehy see it!
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 19:48

TEPCO should report to NISA the situation of storing and treatment of the contaminated water
in the Power Station and future forecast based upon the current situation have to be reported to
NISA as soon as the treatment facility starts its operation. Also, subsequently, continued report has
to be submitted to NISA once a week until the treatment of the accumulated water in the Central
Radioact ive Waste Treatment Facility is completed. - feel the intensity of that Sun core problem! - Keep you updated! Nothing can be done, more like nothing wants to be done!
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 19:43

We deeply apologize to the people of Fukushima and broader society for the tremendous inconvenience and anxiety caused by the accident at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. - does this sound serious? Inconvenience! Anxiety!
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 19:26

Question – Have Crapco attempted to maintain power generation at the plant?
 

Kim 21.10.2013 19:19

Mark, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but they (TEPCO) were actually successful in removing three plutonium rods from No. 4 over the summer, as sort of a test run. No one knows how damaged the rest of the rods are. They can still go with plan A and remove the spent rods, can't they?

If this doesn't work, it'll burn hot and bright forever.

Th e melted fuel is in the earth now, and will never be recovered. We are in uncharted territory in that case.
 

un-chained and angry 21.10.2013 19:17

And yet with all this horror going on with this mess,the US and China just signed contracts to build a bunch of nuke power plants in China. It's like they don't even see a problem in Japan.
Have they even considered what they will do with the waste? Oh yeah, just dump in in the deepest part of the ocean and forget about it ? The US dumps our waste down in deep abandoned mines....like that will take care of it..Idiots.
Lets just get rid of all nuke related junk and try not to kill all life on this planet.
Nukes make too much deadly waste to be safe for any applications.
Le ts stop while it still matters.
 

un-chained and angry 21.10.2013 18:36

1: You don't send a know-nothing idiot to push buttons.
2: when you deal with hurricanes/typhoons fairly often you are aware of the amount of water that can be displaced and should 'OVERBUILD' berms and retaining walls.

With both of these things happening it makes me wonder if 'someone' isn't taking advantage of a natural disaster for their own purposes.
I wonder what...?????
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 18:09

Comparing a stricken reactor with the sun is just plain silly! Just Japan get the cheque book out and the world -insist they do it! No more drama nonsense, no more I can't, just sort it out! We encased an open reactor, because we knew that 'we' had to do it! We would have moved and dammed anything to get the job done, not say it’s raining what a pity.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 18:02

Count Cash, paying someone to walk into the melted reactor cores at Fukushima and fix them, clean them, make them safe, is the same as paying someone to land on the Sun, take pictures and collect samples.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 17:57

Count Cash 21.10.2013 17:51

This is, and has always been about money, commitment and the will to put bodies on the line. In all these areas Japan has failed and continues to fail today.
  

Japan has asked the world for help and is willing to pay money, yet nobody from the world has agreed to do this. 

It is not about money, it is about technological ability, which does not exist.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 17:51

This is, and has always been about money, commitment and the will to put bodies on the line. In all these areas Japan has failed and continues to fail today.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 17:28

Count Cash 21.10.2013 16:30

Steven Duplisea, so well said, my god others would just say can't do anything let's see when the next gay parade is!
  

Count Cash, why are you trying to link Steven Duplisea to the next gay parade? We are talking about the Fukushima crisis, not the next gay parade.
 

amazing-world 21.10.2013 17:28

TEPCO. Total Egregious Professionals, Completely Overwhelmed.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 17:25

Steven Duplisea 21.10.2013 16:38

Mark Roman's an Israeli bot
  


Steven, this is not about Israel, it is about Japan. 
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 16:59

This is not a question of pride, money or desire stopping anyone from trying to help Japan regarding Fukushima. It is a question of technology or rather lack there of.


 

siyousyanamae 21.10.2013 16:41

Radioactive water leaks at Fukushima as operator underestimates rainfall
TOKYO | Sun Oct 20, 2013
(Reuters) -
In the latest incident, containment areas surrounding 12 of 23 groups of tanks overflowed, with one of them containing Strontium-90 as highly concentrated as 710 Becquerels per liter – 71 times higher than the level set by the company as safe for release.
 

Steven Duplisea 21.10.2013 16:38

Count Cash 21.10.2013 16:30

Well said.
  

Mark Roman's an Israeli bot, not human like you or I. It's easy for a bot to make such an 'inorganic argument' for he's not dependent on material sustenance as are you, I, every single Japanese citizen & every other human being on the planet.

He was busy during the Syrian crisis arguing for US intervention when all the world should be squarely focused on this tragedy & tremendous challenge to our natural environment & delicate food chain.

He's a programme...ignore such rubbish.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 16:30

Steven Duplisea, so well said, my god others would just say can't do anything let's see when the next gay parade is!
 

Steven Duplisea 21.10.2013 16:26

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:12


No other country has the ability or technology to help.
If they did, they would have offered. It's already "too late".
  

Defeatist & absurd. It's never "too late" to work to at least try & permanently contain & minimize any further damage to the local & regional land & sea environments & to the human population. What's at stake, & a 'throw your hands up in the air & do nothing because it's already too late approach' won't do a thing to stop the decimation of the area's aquatic & terrestrial food chain since they're interdependent. "Too late" spells disaster.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 16:25

I just think there porbably just aren't any men where you are - Netherlands? Belgium?
 

De Waen Luc 21.10.2013 16:14

Count cash : and what bravery you have in mind ? It takes a while to sink in, but once it does, you will understand that there is no domination of men here...
Why is the world not doing more ?
1//
It is easyer (and cheaper) to get rid of 10.000.000 bodies than it is to move 30.000.000 people
2// There is nothing we can do.....
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 16:02

Count Cash 21.10.2013 15:27

”cannot be safely approached” This one makes me laugh!
  

Count Cash, Google search this RT News Video:

Fuku shima...radiation so high - even robots not safe
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:42

There is an RT video that helps to explain how bad Fukushima situation is.

It was posted in 2012.

If you want to view it, Google search:

&qu ot; Fukushima...radiatio n so high - even robots not safe"
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 15:27

”cannot be safely approached” This one makes me laugh! It’s the health and safety argument; sorry the world has to go, because it’s unsafe for people to tackle it. Just for information, when we had our problem, people were working under the reactors to sort it out. I have relatives now who manage to be old enough and drink enough to keep going – their friends died meeting the challenge and their younger ones went afterwards. Sometimes sacrifice is necessary, not accountancy not health and safety, but just raw courage and sacrifice to get the job done! Do you get that in the west!
 

Frank 21.10.2013 15:14

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:07



Ro n, the world experts have already stated that there is no solution. The area around and under the reactors is contaminated. The source of the contamination are the 3 melted cores, which cannot be safely approached, secured, relocated or weakened.

T he situation is dire.
  

Unfortunately Mark is right, no viable solution. Long term consequences may be catastrophic.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:12

Steven Duplisea 21.10.2013 13:41

The Japanese government continues to defer to the private TEPCO, the owner & operator of the devastated Fukushima nuclear plant. The Japanese government, along with international assistance, MUST step in & takeover the clean-up efforts before it's too late
  

No other country has the ability or technology to help.

If they did, they would have offered.

It is already "too late".
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:07

Ron Miller 21.10.2013 15:01

This is a World Disaster and must be treated as so. The United Nations must gather experts from around the World and get very serious.
  

Ro n, the world experts have already stated that there is no solution. The area around and under the reactors is contaminated. The source of the contamination are the 3 melted cores, which cannot be safely approached, secured, relocated or weakened.

T he situation is dire.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 15:03

What is the IMO doing? Hope your tea is to your liking and the wives are gtting in some nice shopping?
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 15:02

Marilyn Gjerdrum 21.10.2013 14:43

Dirty secret is the fact they have no technology to fix it.
  

The secret is no longer secret.
 

Ron Miller 21.10.2013 15:01

This is a World Disaster and must be treated as so. The United Nations must gather experts from around the World and get very serious.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 14:53

Dave Krueger, I absolutely think this would be a great area for the US to show leadership in. They have the Japanese relationship. If they worked to pull in ourselves, China, France, UK…. Anyone who can bring nuclear expertise and cash, then it could be a further world binding event, moving to collaboration! Syria 2. This is not an MP3 palyer with codec issues!
 

Marilyn Gjerdrum 21.10.2013 14:43

Dirty secret is the fact they have no technology to fix it. 31 months ago, they told the world it was fine.........and there are scientists who now say the Pacific Ocean will be 100% toxic by 2016......thanks to their immense ego.
 

Don Foster 21.10.2013 14:34

Why do these photos look as though their staged events - similar to portraits -planned?
Its not just these photos but almost all photos but especially the Syria events and politicians photoed for specific image of the observers.
 

groingo 21.10.2013 14:19

The world needs to take over this mess as it has spread far beyond Japans borders and threaten everyone, then the world needs to recognize that Nuclear Power is at best UNSAFE and UNMANAGEABLE and should be halted world wide!
 

Dave Krueger 21.10.2013 14:13

The U.S., instead of spending billions of dollars to conduct special operations in bunches of countries we're not even at war with, should consider helping Japan with the cleanup at Fukushima. You know, do something to actually improve the world instead of fueling an ever expanding cycle of violence begetting more violence.
 

Ward Damon Hubbard 21.10.2013 14:02

So.....as the rising sun slowly, painfully grinds life to a halt in the Pacific Ocean we watch as great minds argue numbers and accountable it all reminds me of the last thing my father said to me "DON'T SON! THAT GUN IS LOADED"
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 13:57

The issue is that the problem has just got worse and worse, if actions had been taken earlier, instead of worrying about the spend curve. Then we wouldn’t be where we are now. However, now we are there, we need a massive effort, a total international effort to get the best shot we can at it. Japan has lost all credibility and legitimacy in being left to sort it out, even with advice. The whole command and control needs changing! You can say what you like about the Gulf of Mexico, but for me there was significant purposeful management and commensurate effort to deal with it. I don’t see that here!
 

Steven Duplisea 21.10.2013 13:41

The Japanese government continues to defer to the private TEPCO, the owner & operator of the devastated Fukushima nuclear plant. The Japanese government, along with international assistance, MUST step in & takeover the clean-up efforts before it's too late & the mismangement of the crisis & the subsequent clean-up, lead to lasting, widespread environmental devastation & dire health consequences for generations of Japanese & others in the region. The world's people own the oceans not Japan & certainly not TEPCO. They have no grounds to refuse international assistance. The UNSC must act. Time is of the essence.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 13:37

Priyesh Gupta 21.10.2013 04:41

I think the Japanese are gonna contaminate the pacific and get their revenge on uncle Sam
  

Th is is going to affect more than just the U.S.
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 13:25

Count Cash 21.10.2013 13:22

This is not an accountancy exercise in Greenpeace competence area, but a real environmental problem, needing the world to help and pressurize Japan to solve it!
  

Japan has asked the world for help several times. The rest of the world has no solution to offer.
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 13:22

This is a disaster; the Japanese have continually, lied, covered up and applied insufficient resources to tackle the problem. In the big picture that’s why we see a big Greenpeace pre-ordered fuss in the Arctic, to act as distraction. But luckily the world is not being distracted from the scent by the Greenpeace PR. The Japanese problem needs dealing with and in a way that is proportional not to budget allowances, but the risks and damage being done! This is not an accountancy exercise in Greenpeace competence area, but a real environmental problem, needing the world to help and pressurize Japan to solve it!
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 13:14

[quote name='Ingvar Persson' time='21.10.2013 12:50']
Eating fish with radioactivity leads to cancer.

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Radio active fish don't live very long and are not being caught and served.

If you are interested in what is happening to the fish, Google search "Oarfish". 


 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 13:10

Ingvar Persson 21.10.2013 12:50



Why is U.N. so silent about this?
  

Because the U.N. knows that nothing can be done. So, instead of saying it publicly and causing a world wide panic, they say nothing.
 

siouxie twig 21.10.2013 12:59

does japan think the pacific is their own nuclear dump?
 

siouxie twig 21.10.2013 12:57

i wonder what was happening when the camera went off? also, youtubbbb have stopped the account of fuku1long, censorship.
 

Ingvar Persson 21.10.2013 12:50

An INTERNATIONAL effort is needed !

The whole world will suffer if the oceans will be contaminated with STRONG poisons that needs 100 000 years to decay.

Eati ng fish with radioactivity leads to cancer.

Why is U.N. so silent about this?
 

Mark Roman 21.10.2013 12:09

Agnes Temesvari 21.10.2013 02:53

I agree that Fukushima is a world disaster and all scientists and there monetary or state sponsors should work as hard as possible to provide a solution,
  

Agnes, there is no solution. No other states/countries have the ability to solve this. 

Fukushima is going to alter the planet in such ways making life, ALL life very different.
 

Brian Wills 21.10.2013 12:05

Hundreds of thousands of tons of radioactive materials have been dumped throughout the Atlantic, especially off the coast of France and of course in the north, those barrells should now be rotting through and the entire radioactive contents exposed. We are already dead!
 

RadiationJoe 21.10.2013 11:54

[quote name='john' time='21.10.2013 07:43']
Man this is all so scary. I live so far from this disaster but I wont even go into the atlantic ocean again after this. The thought of unit 4 concern's me most because I believe that is the unit that has compromised structural integrity. If that is true and that is what is going on we are gonna have a rough ride in the northern hemisphere. People don't understand that there are tons of used fuel rods on top of that building. If they become uncovered with water to cool them they will most definitely catch fire and then our atmosphere will be polluted as well. Russia China USA
 

Count Cash 21.10.2013 10:10

Is there a Crack team going in from Greenpeace, or have they run out of tin foil for both their drug use and their helmets!
 

Jack Davidson 21.10.2013 09:07

we all thought godzilla was coming next year, but really fukushima is creating him this year.
 

john 21.10.2013 07:43

I was watching tepco's live cam this morning and around 08:15 they started moving a rather large structure into unit 4 building through the northern side... although i can only guess, it looked more like a renforcing construction part than equipment of any kind.. Strangely tepco's official youtube archive channel (fuku1live) is "missing" all footage between last night 20:00 to 10:00 this morning.. for all we know unit 4 maybe sinking under that cover.. after all by the end of fransisco's passing (wed-thu) fukushima will have received no less than 250mm of rain in under 20 days.. on top of what tepco is pumping in ..
 

Priyesh Gupta 21.10.2013 04:41

I think the Japanese are gonna contaminate the pacific and get their revenge on uncle Sam
 

Birchwood 21.10.2013 03:47

Seems to be a real "Dog and Pony show" (smoking mirrors), look around at all the equipment, it has to be hot, for the workers are clothed for high radiation levels. Can this be a literal pot boiling & one day____?

A thought: Perhaps Japan should give up being a Country and be absorbed by another Country who/able to repair the carnage at Fukushima, & the next Fukushima for aren't there 50 more Nuclear Reactors in Japan.

Russ ia has several systems, even refining crude oil with advanced electronics...An adaptation of this can take care of the "hot" water & there is a procedure for the Hot material processing, BUT!
 

Kermit Frazier 21.10.2013 03:02

@Ellis Jones - Agree

Anyon e who has seen Documentaries of Love Canal or Three Mile Island can understand that these Sites are still Tainted Ground and will Continue so

World Politics aside - the UN Atomic Energy Commission would do well to Organize a Mission to Advise and Materially Assist Japan to Prevent any Possible Disaster

Th e Last Resort of the Incompetent should not be the Preferred Option - You simply cannot Bomb a Leaking Nuke Plant into Remission