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Friday, 26 December 2014

SECRETS OF PROVO CHILDREN




When I was young boy growing up in the west of Ireland, I would often hear the older people say, that the three curses of Ireland were, the English, drink and religion. I have experienced much in my lifetime. to confirm their analysis to be absolutely correct. My father used to drink a fair bit and from my earliest memories, I witnessed him come home regularly and batter my mother, before he would turn his attention to me. I made an oath to myself when I was sixteen, that one day, I would have a home of my own, that would be so much different. One of my brief moments of hope in our home, was, when one day he packed his suitcase and said he was going back to England. It was very brief, as he left, he looked at my brothers, sisters and myself, as I watched him change his mind. My heart dropped. and I subsequently lived through, years of what can be best descibed as a domestic war zone. 

He was also a blueshirt, who as a young teenager, attended their fascist rallies. I vowed again to myself at 17, that when I was 18 that I would accept no more beatings, at which time, I duly stood up to him, looked him squarely in the eye and told him, if he laid a hand on me, I would batter him, which I duly did, wherepon he went out and got the same slashhook, that I witnessed both of parents take to each other in the previous 18 years. I had also made my mind up at that stage to be a priest. That was before I found drink and Catholic sex, which changed my mind. On his deathbed, he apologized to me and admitted that, the Cause of the Irish Republic, was the correct one.

Well a few years went by and circumstances in Ireland, dictated that I took the same boat to England, that my father, decades previously had, preceding World War 2. One day as I walked up Kilburn Highroad in London, a young lady approached me from the Workers Revolutionary Party and essentially explained to me, that only International Socialism, had the solution to the World's problems, as opposed to national communism or capitalism. She explained to me the basics of dialectic materialism and so I joined. Around thsi time the Guildford 4 & the Birmingham 6 were framed for crimes, that put them away for the rest of their lives, for crimes they did not commit, as a warning to the irish community in England, to toe the British line. I was aware of this, just as I was aware of the slaughter of scores of innocent unarmed Civil Rights protesters in Derry and Belfast. I had contradictions with the WRP, ignoring these atrocities and left. Around about this time, two Irish Hunger Strikers from the west of Ireland died on Hunger Strikes in British gaols, which had a profound effect on me, being from the same part of Ireland.

I was also living in the same house, from which the Guilford 4 were taken, with some other non politcal Irish lads from the northern part of Ireland. One day a young woman of about 20, turned up. She seemed lost in the big City of London and without direction. With the best of non sexual motives, I tried to help her, get her bearings and took her to the Irish Club in Quex Road. After I introduced her to a few people. I then danced, drank and flirted, with some other Irish acquaintances, that I had known over time. When we returned to the house, the young woman took an overdose, and had to be rushed to the local Emergency Department, where she was punped out. 

After she was released, I could see she was distressed and I tried to be as good a friend as I could, without getting overly intimate. Over the following weeks. she told me, that she had been sent by the IRA to bomb London. I could see she was in no fit state for such activity and I was distressed myself, about what was the correct course of action. I decided myself, that I needed to contact some senior Republicans and volunteer to take her place, as being the only solution under the circumatances, as I knew her life depended on their being a reasonable solution. At this time, we became aware, that we were under 24 hour surveillance by British intelligence, which went on for what seemed like an eternity. 

Irish people in London at that time, aware of what happened to the Guilford 4 & Birmingham 6, were often paranoid, as we ourselves were becoming in this situation. Under these circumstances, it was decided the best I could do, was work with the United Troops Out Movement in London, along with the IRSP and Sinn Fein, to get the British out of Ireland. Our English conrades, mostly from the fringes of the Labour party, many of whom were colleagues of Ken Livingstone, who went on to be become Mayor of London, were an inspiration, with their tireless work for British witdrawal from Ireland. Many people still fail to realize, that more than 70% of the English population have Irish ancestry, with years of immigration from Ireland.

Nevertheless both my new Irish friend and I, became increasingly isolated in London. She slept at the foot of my bed for safety reasons many nights. One night after drinking, we slept together, which then became a habit, until we eventually we had sex. Like a lot of Catholic sex at that time, it was without contraceptives and when I awoke in the mornings, I became aware of the consequence. Besides, we had become very intimate, in many other respects, so we decided the correct thing to do, was to get married. My wife was a very principled woman but like me very passionate and quite volatile or perhaps I have this effect on people. 

She had at that time, many unresolved issues, as a result of growing up in the tinderbox of the sectarian scum state, in the northern part of Ireland. I also with hindsight, can see I had many issues myself, as a result of growing up in my own childhood home. At this time, our home was broken into on several occasions, by agents of the British State. On one occasion I returned home from work, to find my wife unconscious, after the house was ransacked by the British. On another occasion, I returned home to find our newborn child, alone in the house, screaming, after my wife was taken into custody for interrogation and our baby left in the house unattended all day. We decided as a result, to return to Ireland, which was probably the target of our harassment.

We lived for a while in a mobile home and I got work locally but I could not ignore the realities of what was happeing in the part of the Ireland, where my wife came from. All of her family were also there. During this time, I drank heavily and although working, I was a poor husband, which affected my wife and she became increasingly volatile/ While trying to restrain her, I may have slapped her a few times when drunk, I honestly cannot recall, which reminds me of a true story in Ireland, of a man waking up in a police cell in the morning, asking why he was detained. Not receiving an answer, he asked to see his wife, whereupon he was told she was dead. When he asked what happened to her, he was told you murdered her. 

The remorse of the re-occurrring nightmare of my own childhood home tortured me and I drank even more. We decided after many arguments and scuffles, which I would still maintain,  I was trying to restrain her. I was nevertheless very aware the effect, this might have on our first child, and the only solace I seemed to find, was in alcohol, which was still working to a degree in this respect. I arrived in Newry, British Occupied Ireland on the day Lord Mountbatten and his entourage were blown out of the water, not too far from where, both Micheal Gaughan and Frank Stagg, the two Hunger Strikers in England, were born and buried. It was also the same day, that something like 20 British soldiers were blown up, just outside the town, where I had just arrived. I have written posts previously, on what transpired subsequently, from my own experience in that part of Ireland.

There is an article in todays Irish papers, that instigated me writing this piece, which is published below from the Guardian. I above all people, cannot write about the rights and wrongs of it all, other than be aware drink was involved, and certainly cannot make any judgement whatsoever, there but for the stardust, go I. After careful consideration, I have publicshed this article, to reinforce my belief, that to have any genuine peace in Ireland, and to move away from reactionary politics in Ireland, caused by the British presence, into some form of a progressive agenda, a transparent Truth & Reconciliation forum of substance, mentored by someonr of international substance, like Archbishop Tutu is established immediately, rather than waiting for all of the victims & participants to die. 

The British State is built on a foundation of their Act's of Secrecy, while the Provos & their associates, instigate the censorship of the likes of this blog from being posted on any Facebook group. There are too many dark secrets among their insincere leadership, that are making Ireland just as sick as it's many secrets and only the truth can make us free. They have just signed up to yet another so called agreement, which if you examine it carefully, is just an agreement to disagree, and kick it all down the road, until everyone involved is dead. 

My wife and I proceeded to have five children together in that part of Ireland. They today like others of their generation, carry the legacy of the lies, that murdered more than 6 million of my ancestors. It just doesn't go away you know, not until the truth sees the light of day and there is some form of reconciliation. It was many, many years later, I learned, that a self confessed agent of the British Crown, working within the IRA, who was responsible for my ex-wife's visit to London, something they and their numerous other agents, have worked very hard to conceal. I guarantee you, she was not the only one, indeed it is still happening today. So if you want to make a start, to make a stand on this isuue, perhaps you might post this to your Facebook groups, from which I am currently prevented, from sharing by Provo & British agents. Sinead O'Connor while joning a party that is no longer republican, is correct in her call, for all of the old guard to stand down, the difficulty is replacing them with a younger generation of people, who have Ireland and its people's interests at heart, starting with truth & reconciliation not careerism.



A prominent Irish republican who escaped from Brixton prison after being put behind bars for killing a Garda detective has been arrested for allegedly stabbing his wife on Christmas Eve.
Pearse McAuley, who was convicted of killing Garda detective Jerry McCabe in 1996, is in custody after his wife was stabbed repeatedly at their home in the Republic on Wednesday.
McAuley is being questioned about the attack on his wife Pauline, a former Sinn Féin councillor, at their house in County Cavan. The mother of two was rushed to hospital and underwent emergency surgery for a punctured lung, after she was stabbed a number of times during the knife attack at the couple’s Kilnaleck home.
McAuley escaped from Brixton prison in London in July 1991 along with fellow IRA man Nessan Quinlivan. Originally from Strabane in Northern Ireland, McAuley had been awaiting trial on conspiracy to murder and explosives charges in Britain when the IRA staged the breakout.
Five years later, McAuley was part of an IRA unit that attempted to carry out a robbery in Adare in County Limerick. During the botched heist, the gang shot dead Garda detective Jerry McCabe and severely wounded his colleague Ben O’Sullivan.
Sinn Féin tried to portray the robbery and fatal shooting as the acts of apolitical criminals and later blamed rival republican group, the Irish National Liberation Army.
The coverup created widspread anger among the Garda Siochána’s rank and file over what many believed was a bogus story motivated by protecting the peace process.
It emerged that McAuley and four other members of the IRA’s Munster brigade had been responsible. Although murder charges against them were dropped, McAuley was later convicted of manslaughter.
Sinn Féin continued to argue for McAuley and three other IRA members connected to the McCabe killing to be released. When McAuley was eventually freed from jail in 2009, he was met at the prison by Sinn Féin Dail deputy and convicted gunrunner Martin Ferris.

Sunday, 21 December 2014

A CURSE UPON YOU CENSORS OF THE REPUBLIC




Flann O’Brien:
Supposing, said Trellis with a long chuckle, that a streetwalker makes £20,000 from her trade, saves it up over a period of 50 years, repents in her old age and builds a church with the money? Is it a church within the meaning of the act or what is it? Is it a brothel? Tainted money, I mean. Is it tainted subjectively or is it only unclean to those who know the commodity that was traded for it?
 Who but Finn could burst God with the power of a breath whistled from his tooth-gap without a ceasing or a stop from the low murmuring of melodious poetry at the same time? Who but Finn?
 - Where is the man, said Trellis horizontally, that is going to tell me that good can exist side by side with good? Good and evil are complementary terms. You cannot have one without the other. Each gets its force by reason of the other and would be meaningless without the other. There was no good in the Garden till the serpent came, only negation and bathos. Therefore the devil created good.
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Where is the man, said Trellis horizontally, that is goig to tell me that good can exist side by side with good? Good and eveil are complementary terms. You cannot have one without the other. Each gets its force by reason of the other and would be meaningless without the other. There was no good in the Garden till the serpent came, only negation and bathos. Therefore the devil created good.
Ringsend cowboys
‘At night we would gather in the bunkhouse with our porter and all our orders, cigarettes and plenty there on the cheffonier to be taken and no questions asked, schoolmarms and saloongirls and little orange maids skivvying there in the galley and as geney as you like for the first man that takes it into his head to play ball know what I mean? That was the place to be now.’
[...]
‘I’m no nance and I’m not fussy when it comes to the hard stuff, but damn it all, I draw the line when it comes to carrying off a batch of orange women and a couple of thousand steers, by God’
[...]
‘[…] night, our bullet-pierced hats on our bowed heads and our empty six-guns dangling at our hips. If it wasn’t that our orange skivvies were waiting for us as plump and as gamey as be damned when we got the length, we might have shot up Ringsend Saloon or lynched a spook offa the arm of a tree or something.’
Classical music
‘Some of the stuff I've heard in my time, said Shanahan, is no joke to play for the man that has two hands. It was stuff of the best make I don’t doubt, classical tack and all the rest of it, but by God it gave me a pain in my bandbox. It hurt my head far worse than a pint of whiskey.’
‘But there’s good craic in that when you get in on it, explained Lamont, understand it once and you’ll never have anything else. You have to get used to it, you know, take it easy. You can’t swallow it like a drink. It has to be chewed by the teeth. Look at it like this crust, say.’

The Poor Mouth (1964) [Bonapart’s hangover:] If the bare truth be told, I did not prosper very well. My senses went astray, evidently. Misadventure fell on my misfortune, a further misadventure fell on that misadventure and before long the misadventures were falling thickly on the first misfortune and on myself. Then a shower of misfortunes fell on the misadventures, heavy misadventures fell on the misfortunes after that and finally one great brown misadventure came upon everything, quenching the light and stopping the course of life. I did not feel anything for a long while; I did not see anything, neither did I hear a sound. Unknown to me, the earth was revolving on its course through the firmament. It was a week before I felt that a stir of life was still within me and a fortnight before I was completely certain that I was alive. A half-year went by before I had recovered fully from the ill-health which that night’s business had bestowed on me, God give us all grace! I did not notice the second day of the feis. (60-61; Kennelly, op. cit., 1996, p.185.)

The Poor Mouth [An Beal Bocht] (Irish orig. 1941; trans. 1964): ‘In my youth we always had a bad smell in our house. Sometimes it was so bad that I asked my mother to send me to school, even though I could not walk correctly. Passers-by neither stopped nor even walked when in the vicinity of our house but raced past the door and never ceased until they were half a mile from the bad smell. There was another house two hundred yards down the road from us and one day when our smell was extremely bad the folks there cleared out, went to America and never returned. It was stated that they told people in that place that Ireland was a fine country but that the air was too strong there. Alas! there was never any air in our house.’ (p.22.) ‘Ambrose was an odd pig and I do not think that his like will be there again. Good luck to him if he be alive in another world today!’ (Ibid., p.28.)


At Swim-Two-Birds (1939)
[OPENING:] ‘Having placed in my mouth sufficient bread for three minutes’ chewing, I withdrew my powers of sensual perception and retired into the privacy of my mind, my eyes and face assuming a vacant and preoccupied expression. I reflected on the subject of my spare-time literary activities. One beginning and one ending for a book was a thing I did not agree with. A good book may have three openings entirely dissimilar and inter-related only in the prescience of the author, or for that matter one hundred times as many endings.’ (1967 Penguin edn. p.9).
The Third Opening: Finn MacCool was a legendary hero of old Ireland. Though not mentally robust, he was a man of superb physique and development. Each of his thighs was as thick as a horse’s belly, narrowing to a calf as thick as the belly of a foal. Three fifties of fosterlings could engage with handball against the wideness of his backside, which was wide enough to halt the march of warriors through a mountain pass. (p.9; &c.)
The Pooka Fergus MacPhellimey, a species of human Irish devil endowed with magical power.John Furriskey, A depraved character, whose task is to attack women and behave at all times in an indecent manner. By magic he is instructed by Trellis to go one night to Donnybrook where he will by arrangement meet and betray PEGGY, a domestic servant. He meets her and is much surprised when she confides to him that Trellis has fallen asleep and that her virtue had already been assailed by an elderly man subsequently to be identified as Finn MacCool, a legendary character hired by Trellis on account of the former’s venerable appearance and experience, to act as the girl’s father and chastise her for her transgressions against the moral law, and that her virtue has also been assailed by Paul Shanahan, another man hired by Trellis for performing various small and unimportant parts in the story
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After a short time they discover that they have fallen in love with each other at first sight. They arrange to lead virtuous lives, to simulate the immoral actions, thoughts and words which Trellis demands of them on pain of the severest penalties
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Meanwhile Trellis […] creates a very beautiful and refined girl called Sheila Lamont, whose brother, Anthony Lamont he has already hired so there will be someone to demand satisfaction of John Furriskey for betraying her […] . Trellis creates Miss Lamont in his bedroom [and] so far forgets himself as to assault her himself.’ (p.61; see longer extracts in RICORSO Library, “Irish Literary Classics”, via index, or direct.)
 
[The poetry:] FINN [reciting verses of St. Moling]: My curse on Sweeney! / His guilt against me is immense, / he pierced with his long swift javelin / My holy bell. / ... / Just as it went prestissimo / the spear-shaft skyward, / you, too, Sweeny, go madly mad-gone / skyward. / .. / ... My curse on you Sweeny. (p.65.) […] Bereft of fine women-folk, / the brooklime for a brother - / our choice for a fresh meal / is watercress always. // Without accomplished musicians / without generous women, / no jewel-gift for bards - / respected Christ, it has perished me. (p.67). Watercress from the well at Cirb / is my lot at terce, / its colour is my mouth. / green on the mouth of Sweeney. // Chill chill is my body / when away from ivy, / the rain torrents it / and the thunder. (p.69.) […] Glen Bolcain my home ever, / it was my haven, / many a night have I tried / a race against the peak. (p.72.) SHANAHAN, [reciting verses of Jem Casey]: When things go wrong and will not come right, / Though you do the best you can, / When life looks black as the hour of night / A PINT OF PLAIN IS YOUR ONLY MAN. (p.77; see longer extracts in RICORSO Library, “Irish Literary Classics”, infra.)
 
Cf. Joyce’s similar ‘curse’ in the “Cyclops” episode of Ulysses: &‘;The curse of my curses / Seven days every day / And seven dry Thursdays / On you, Barney Kiernan, / Has no sup of water / To cool my courage, / And my guts red roaring / After Lowry’s lights.’ (U12.737.) Note: Joyce naturally owes his poetic form to translation examples of middle Irish poetry in the Irish literary revival - similarly to J. M. Synge, whose “Curse” is based on the same, but which Joyce certainly did not know.

Tuesday, 15 April 2014

EASTER RISING CONTINUITY AND PROCLAMATION OF IRISH REPUBLIC




Poblacht na h Éireann.



The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic



To the people of Ireland.


IRISHMEN AND IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty: six times during the past three hundred years[2] they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and its exaltation among the nations.

The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National Government, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.

We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.



The signatories :
Thomas J. Clarke
Seán Mac Diarmada
Thomas MacDonagh
P. H. Pearse
Éamonn Ceannt
James Connolly
Joseph Plunket

Tuesday, 11 March 2014

FREE REPUBLIC MH370


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MH370 detected above Malacca Straits at 2.40am
Malaysiakini via Yahoo ^ | 3/11/2014 | Malaysiakini
Posted on 3/11/2014 3:58:23 PM by MrShoop

The search for Malaysian Airlines MH307 plane has been expanded to Sumatran waters, north of Straits of Malacca, as military radar may have detected the missing plane in the vicinity of Pulau Perak.

A Berita Harian report today quoted the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) as saying the plane may have reversed course further than expected while on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Air Force chief Rodzali Daud ( left ) is quoted as saying that based on military radar readings from its station in Butterworth, MH370 may have turned west after Kota Bahru and flew past the east coast and Kedah.

"The last time the plane was detected was near Pulau Perak, in the Straits of Malacca, at 2.40am," Berita Harian quotes Rodzali as saying.

This contradicts with earlier reports that the aircraft had disappeared from radar screens 120 nautical miles off Kota Bharu and over the South China Sea, at 1.30am on March 8.

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) had previously said the search for the Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, which is missing for the fourth day, had previously been focused around the waters between East Malaysia and Vietnam.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aviation; malaysia; mh370; planecrash
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To: MrShoop
Hmmmm...Pulau Perak a westerly heading than planned Flight Plan.... Now If you go to Google earth and extend the line..
It leads to Somalia.. Only 3500 miles, well in the range of that aircraft.
Flying low to avoid radar...
Just Sayin...

51 posted on 3/11/2014 8:48:15 PM by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: AlexW
“Why would they select one single plane to destroy?”

Sometimes a government will put spy cameras on a commercial plane and have it fly over some sensitive place. A real “spy plane” would be detected, but a commercial plane, maybe would be given a pass.

Like KAL 007, shot down by Russia after they overflew Soviet submarine pens.

I doubt that is the case here, though.


52 posted on 3/11/2014 8:53:44 PM by DBrow
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To: House Atreides
I have been thinking the same thing since last night. The plane might have been taken over by terrorist and shot out of the sky by the Chinese or Malaysian air force.
53 posted on 3/11/2014 8:54:40 PM by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: yldstrk
Maybe. However I suspect they are stumped as well.

But for a large air liner to splash into the sea, in some of the busiest shipping lanes on earth, makes me wonder if they are looking for the right thing.

Is there a spot on land that the plan could have crashed that is remote enough to miss?


54 posted on 3/11/2014 8:59:47 PM by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: stlnative
But how could the transponder and tracking systems have been turned off?


55 posted on 3/11/2014 9:00:05 PM by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Robe
I kind of think this is a clue:

“its transponder and other tracking systems were off.”

Also flying a few thousand feet below its last radar fix.

Sounds to me like plane made left turn, decending to get into the east west flight lanes and heading for, well, what could be west of where they were? TADA: Eastern coast of Africa. 777btw has a range of over 8000 miles with full fuel load. I don’t think we have a mechanical problem here. Pilot error or errored pilot perhaps.


56 posted on 3/11/2014 9:00:15 PM by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: BeadCounter; TomGuy
From BeadCounter's link:
Seventh paragraph down ... Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said the two men had travelled from Qatar's capital Doha on their Iranian passports, and switched to stolen Italian and Austrian passports to board the Malaysia Airlines flight.

Good thought by you, TomGuy. Switched/Traded. If switched/traded whom has the switched/traded passports?

57 posted on 3/11/2014 9:09:28 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: All
Military tracked missing plane for at least 100 miles after it vanished from civilian radar - and are sure it made it to Malacca Strait, Malaysian source reveals

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578199/Military-tracked-missing-plane-100-miles-vanished-civilian-radar-sure-Malacca-Strait-Malaysian-source-reveals.html#ixzz2vfBqRucl


58 posted on 3/11/2014 9:11:40 PM by stlnative
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To: Therapsid
it must take a while for a phone system to realize that the phone is not available and for it to move to voice mail.


59 posted on 3/11/2014 9:12:44 PM by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: MrShoop
I know this is not quite near the Horn of Africa or Libya, but maybe this is the first practice shot with some of our stolen MANPADS.


60 posted on 3/11/2014 9:16:25 PM by Patriot95
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To: TomGuy
No sign of terrorism? It looks like a picture from the TV show 24.


61 posted on 3/11/2014 9:17:17 PM by Patriot95
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To: redgolum
“Is there a spot on land that the plan could have crashed that is remote enough to miss?”

You hear of them uncovering planes that crashed during wars sometimes, maybe Vietnam. I would guess a plane could crash in a jungle and be undiscovered for a lengthy period of time.


62 posted on 3/11/2014 9:32:54 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: nanetteclaret
Transponders can be turned to off.


63 posted on 3/11/2014 9:34:23 PM by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: CodeToad
I heard this discussed, not sure if many people would always have the wherewithal to do such.


64 posted on 3/11/2014 9:39:45 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: jughandle
My cell phone goes directly to voicemail if it’s turned off. The caller hears no ring.


65 posted on 3/11/2014 10:40:08 PM by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: TomGuy
Why do both men have the same lower region in the photos? Those are two top halves of different men, but the green pants and shoes — and floor tiles are from one person.


66 posted on 3/11/2014 10:41:06 PM by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: cardinal4
There were graphics showing the US searching the area at the north end of Malacca Strait early to mid day Monday.


67 posted on 3/11/2014 10:42:21 PM by jeffers
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
THAT is a very good question!


68 posted on 3/11/2014 10:42:31 PM by txhurl
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To: no-to-illegals
The passports were probably taken by “Mr. Ali,” the guy who arranged their flights and no doubt provided the stolen passports for them. Personally, I don’t think they were terrorists; just people attempting to sneak into a European country (where at least one of them, the one bound for Frankfurt, already had family).


69 posted on 3/11/2014 10:43:21 PM by livius
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
yep, is starting to get nasty out there ... http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing—says-airline-023820132.html


70 posted on 3/11/2014 10:44:58 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Yep, noticed that too.

Perhaps they thought we’d not notice it, you know, like the Birth Certificate.


71 posted on 3/11/2014 10:46:32 PM by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: livius
I have no idea ... having not been on the plane. Is starting to get nasty though between agencies. Not good and less sharing of information is beginning due to mounting pressure but know not where that pressure is coming from or rather which agency or agencies. Will not be good for future security either in that region of this world. (imho) ... France is taking a lead, of sorts though, and filing charges.


72 posted on 3/11/2014 10:49:26 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Robe
Long before it gets to east Africa it would pass almost directly over Diego Garcia. Clearly we would have known of its approach 1500 klics out. The Indians would have acquired it earlier. It seems certain someone’s radars picked up something on a westerly heading over the Straits at 9,000 meters. Which military’s radar made the contact? Was the sighting reported up the chain? If it was Malaysian with their Brit roots I’d expect details of the contact and reports. Indonesia and Thai,not so much.


73 posted on 3/11/2014 10:50:28 PM by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: everyone
I need to back that last post up ... France is launching a probe into a Manslaughter Investigation regarding the flight.
74 posted on 3/11/2014 10:53:01 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: MrShoop; All
Would a crash on land show up on a seismograph? I wonder if any movement was detected in on land.


75 posted on 3/11/2014 10:56:18 PM by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: MrShoop
..... Perhaps Skyjacking is becoming the technique de jour among the trendy new terror groups?


76 posted on 3/11/2014 11:00:26 PM by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: xkaydet65
First off, we are fed BS by M government and silence by US govt, sooo....nothing is fully believable at this point, however...

US was shown searching west of Malay Peninsula yesterday and did not dispute. Further, US govt said yest no explosion on sat and we looked, (thorough coverage).

Now Malay govt says plane descended, turned west, crossed over, and descended again. Malacca Strait a busy place.

All along, they said it went quiet on original course.

If this is believable and not more BS, it is clear that SOMEBODY turned off all comms, flew the wrong way for a long while, then descended again, and now, the plane isn’t in the water, so it either kept flying and landed somewhere, or it flew on and crashed further west yet.

Again, IF we aren’t hearing more BS, somebody took this plane and most likely still has it.


77 posted on 3/11/2014 11:00:45 PM by jeffers
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To: livius
"I think they’ve determined that the Iranians actually were asylum seekers with no other objective"
What a perfect cover story for prospective terrorists/hijackers.

78 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:23 PM by magellan
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To: jeffers
Cruised or cruise control for an hour?? I heard that was possible per the abbreviated news update.


79 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:31 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
excellent catch


80 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:32 PM by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: MrShoop
“Malaysia Airlines live: military says last tracked plane hundreds of miles off course
Malaysia’s military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html


81 posted on 3/11/2014 11:04:18 PM by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I think the left man simply had an upper-only pix, and this poster or whomever it is holding it up simply plopped that pix on top of already-posted full pix of other man. Power Point carelessness.


82 posted on 3/11/2014 11:04:29 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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No, no big deal. See my other post.


83 posted on 3/11/2014 11:05:13 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop
Hard to believe in today’s day of technology that commercial aircraft do not constantly broadcast their flight parameters to a database where it can be retrieved.


84 posted on 3/11/2014 11:06:19 PM by CodeJockey (Christian, Freeper, Tea Party Member, Bitter Clinger, Creepy White Cracker)
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To: jeffers
Lots of things can happen to cause or allow all that. It is not a big shock if the plane went bad and pilots didn’t know where they were going, etc.

I still say no evidence there is any conspiracy here.


85 posted on 3/11/2014 11:11:16 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: BeadCounter
Thinking now is a good time for speculators to shut up.

Just cuz...figure it out.


86 posted on 3/11/2014 11:14:00 PM by jeffers
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Clear weather. Landmasses and sun are hard to miss.

I’m done till I hear....certain things.


87 posted on 3/11/2014 11:15:32 PM by jeffers
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To: magellan
What a perfect cover story for prospective terrorists/hijackers.
That's what I'm thinking

88 posted on 3/11/2014 11:22:26 PM by SteamShovel
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Interesting story here:
Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls

One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

One man said he had convinced two policemen to come to his home Sunday night to witness the active QQ account on his desktop computer. But sometime Monday afternoon, when he wasn’t paying attention, it had suddenly switched off.

Like so many involved, he was now left with even more questions left unanswered. Did the phone’s battery run out? Had sea water damaged it? Was it just a random anomaly of some Internet server? Or was the plane hijacked and still out there somewhere? “I hope someone can answer these questions for me,” he said.

If true, sounds like the plane crashed over land.

89 posted on 3/11/2014 11:24:22 PM by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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I did hear about the person being spotted as logged on on QQ.


90 posted on 3/11/2014 11:31:39 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: jeffers
Choice is yours.


91 posted on 3/11/2014 11:35:57 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: MrShoop
That is a long way from where they were supposed to be. Why? A hijacking would kind of make sense, but the pilot could squawk 7500 on the ATC transponder without arousing too much suspicion.


92 posted on 3/11/2014 11:39:14 PM by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BeadCounter
If we knew where it crashed, it would be all over the news. If we knew it crashed, but not where, same deal.

If it didn’t crash, think thru why all the silence..


93 posted on 3/11/2014 11:43:00 PM by jeffers
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To: jeffers
If this is believable and not more BS, it is clear that SOMEBODY turned off all comms, flew the wrong way for a long while, then descended again, and now, the plane isn’t in the water, so it either kept flying and landed somewhere, or it flew on and crashed further west yet. Again, IF we aren’t hearing more BS, somebody took this plane and most likely still has it.
This is what am leaning towards, too..

94 posted on 3/11/2014 11:46:54 PM by cardinal4
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To: jeffers
Sun? In the middle of the night?


95 posted on 3/11/2014 11:51:56 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop












is a puzzlement














96 posted on 3/11/2014 11:53:24 PM by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: CedarDave
I still think it’s totally possible to crash on land. Even the cell phones MIGHT indicate that. (But it may be the service simply kept rolling, not the phone - but I don’t know the protocols of those things.)

If they have plenty of jungle, wild and virtually human-free which I’ve been led to believe they do in Asia, it’s perfectly possible their path went toward land and they crashed unnoticed in some God-forsaken jungle.

Still don’t believe the conspiracies. I have no reason to.


97 posted on 3/11/2014 11:56:51 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop
suitcase nuke?


98 posted on 3/11/2014 11:57:51 PM by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: jeffers
Because we wouldn’t know where it is?

Just like now?


99 posted on 3/11/2014 11:58:39 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: xzins
A point that I haven’t seen discussed is that radar will continue to follow a “passive” target, even if every electronic device is disabled. The plane would not just disappear from the screen, only all its ident and altitude information. Has anybody seen a report of anybody asking about this?


100 posted on 3/12/2014 12:01:48 AM by Chaguito
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