Showing posts with label Richard Haass. Show all posts
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Thursday, 19 March 2015

DISSIDENT JOE BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT



"Say It Ain't So, Joe, Again, and Again, and Again ..."


Joe Biden the American vice-President, stated from the Presidential Podium on St Patrick's Day,"If you're Orange, you're not welcome round here."

Most political analysts in Ireland, believe this is fallout, from the abusive treatment of the American Presidential Diplomat to Ireland, Richard Haass, sent packing, back to the USA, by the Orange Order, who destroyed the Irish Peace Process.
Irish Blog endorses Joe Biden, for the Presidency of the United States, in the next Presidential election and calls on the 80 million Irish Diaspora, to support him.The following poem, which is meant to be a joke, gives you an insight into the diaspora of the Orange Order. 


Susie Lee fell in love.
She planned to marry Joe.
She was so happy' bout it all,
she told her Pappy so.
Pappy told her, "Susie Gal,
you'll have to find another.
I'd just as soon yo' maw don't know,
but Joe is yo' half-brother."
So Susie forgot about her Joe
and planned to marry Will.
But, after telling Pappy this,
he said, "There's trouble still.
You can't marry Will, my gal,
and please don't tell yo' mother,
cause Will and Joe and several mo'
I know is yo' half-brother."
But Mama knew and said "Honey Child,
Do what makes yo' happy.
Marry Will or marry Joe,
you ain't no kin of Orange Pappy!
"


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Sunday, 24 November 2013

FEAR OF THE TRUTH THAT WILL SET US FREE

We know things that could undermine Northern Ireland peace process, say retired police officers







Former US diplomat Richard Haass is chairing talks on dealing with contentious parades, flags and other issues in Northern Ireland

BY LIAM CLARKE – 19 NOVEMBER 2013
Retired police officers have warned they could be forced to reveal information which would undermine the peace process during any truth commission into Northern Ireland's past.


The warning from The Northern Ireland Retired Police Officers' Association (NIRPOA) came in a 64-page submission to the Haass Commission for dealing with the past.

The submission makes it clear that the body represents officers who have been involved in what was known as the "shoot to kill" policy, a term they reject, and it is also known to represent many retired Special Branch officers.

Yesterday, Dr Haass returned to Belfast for another round of talks about flags, parading and the Troubles' legacy.

He insisted that an end-of-year deadline for political talks to resolve the divisive issues in Northern Ireland is "doable and desirable".

The document from the NIRPOA, seen by the Belfast Telegraph, states: "Our association does not support the concept of a 'truth commission' as the circumstances in which such tools have previously been used have been completely different.

"Nor do we have any confidence that anyone other than our members would actually tell the truth. Some of the truths which our members might reveal may not be considered to be helpful to the political or 'peace' process" the document states.

This is understood to be a reference to potential embarrassment to leading politicians, in Sinn Fein and other parties, if the intelligence records are opened. This, some of the officers believe, could destabilise the Executive.

The document calls for a reduction in the number of public inquiries but makes one exception. It calls for Troubles-era inquests into deaths caused by the security forces to be rolled into a single "review of all the relevant cases, taken as a whole".

This would provide "fully-funded independent and individual legal advice for any former members of the security forces who may be required to give evidence".

It estimates that, if we hold individual inquests, the backlog would take 20 years to clear and warns that many police officers who would be required to give evidence are old and frail.

It adds that many officers who were involved in alleged shoot to kill incidents were part of a few highly trained units and such incidents could be best tackled through a single process.


The submission says that any officer found guilty of wrongdoing should be prosecuted and rejects any notion of an amnesty, either of paramilitaries or members of the security forces who may be prosecuted. It adds: "Our association holds no brief for any police officer, serving or retired, who may have committed criminal offences, whether in relation to the performance of his or her duty or otherwise."

There are signs of anger and frustration with the present system of inquests inquiries which, NIRPOA argues, "facilitate, often at public expense, a continual campaign of baseless denigration of the members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary George Cross and the Police Service of Northern Ireland, including very many of our members".

It also attacks the Historical Enquiries Team and the Police Ombudsman for having allegedly employed some "staff who are poorly equipped for their work in terms of training and experience and leaders who have frequently demonstrated flawed judgment, resulting in injustice for many of our members".

It states: "In relation to the past, our principle concern is that there will be no attempt to rewrite history in a way which seeks to imply some sort of moral equivalence between the police (and other elements of the security forces) and the terrorists.

"In relation to the future, our principle concern is that our members will be able to live out their lives in dignity and privacy, with appropriate care being provided for those with physical or mental problems which are attributable to their public service."


seenitallbefore77p· 13 hours ago
look,lets have the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
you cannot change what happened yesterday,as tomorrow never comes........
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Seamus0997p· 19 hours ago
If the NIRPOA have information that could undermine the peace process, that means they have and are concealing it. So what is new about the deception, lying and the dishonestly of this branch of the OO/UVF?
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Yahoe_Yahboyee108p· 4 days ago
So if you come after us then we'll bring down the peace process. Nice
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flagless202095p· 20 hours ago
While there were many honourable people in the RUC and British army doing their best in a desperate situation, it serves nobody and especially not the peace process to cover up and deny the fact that the system was broken and fatally compromised by British Intelligence. By supplying arms and intelligence to loyalists, by operating covert murder gangs who terrorised catholics in the guise of the MRF, by reserving lethal force for dealing with Republicans while taking (at best) a more judicial approach to loyalists, by targeting defence solicitors for assassination, by setting up a military unit 'the FRU' to coordinate collusion and more specifically by the use of Brian Nelson controlling the targetting of the UDA which itself was legal, by tolerating if not encouraging dual membership of loyalist paramilitaries and the UDR, they drove catholics in their thousands into the arms of the Provos. For many a point came where the state was seen as sinister corrupt and ir-reformable and lead with tragic consequences to the conclusion for some that the only option was it's violent overthrow. Moderate anti-violent catholics lived in despair as they lost their youths to the hatred engendered by these programmes and those on the other side who wanted a peaceful future, including in many cases security force members that weren't privy to or part of the covert war, were marginalized and betrayed by the setting aside of democratic and legal norms. To acknowledge all of this would not threaten but instead strengthen the peace process as everyone knows the bulk of the truth anyway and are capable of forgiveness, it is the continued denial of the truth that locks people in the past. All sides have a duty to this society to admit their mistakes instead of denying or justifying them. That includes the Provisionals, for their actions too deeply damaged this society and only added to its tearing apart. Denying their complicity in the Kingsmills slaying of protestant workers after an act of trying to protect their catholic workmate from what they thought were loyalist gunmen is but one heart breaking example of the ultimate futility and hopelessness of their strategy to 'unite us'. We all lost the plot and should just bloody well admit it!
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boland100p· 4 days ago
This group of ex branch men are as arrogant now as they were on duty.
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Woburn_exile85p· 4 days ago
The very people who whine about truth commissions et al are those who have a long history in showing disrespect to all due legal processes. The brave men and women who put their lives on the line on a daily basis don't need a truth commission, the brave men and women who fed the security forces intelligence about the forces of terror and crime certainly don't need a truth examination body or some such thing. To all those who whine about the past my message is GET A LIFE. The world does not care about your past.
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InErnest102p· 4 days ago
None of this raking up the past is helpful to the peace process! Those politicians calling loudest for 'dealing with the past' are those who seem unwilling to deal with the present or future. I hope not, but I fear the Haass talks will be a glorified finger pointing exercise.
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SMCTIME87p· 4 days ago
I'd like to see the crooked ex-special branch boys have to answer for themselves, while taking down Sinn Fein while they're at it. The peace process will survive without them, it's not like we all don't know what they were up to.
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nallyterrace82p· 4 days ago
"In relation to the past, our principle concern is that there will be no attempt to rewrite history in a way which seeks to imply some sort of moral equivalence between the police (and other elements of the security forces) and the terrorists."

Sorry guys, you cannot have your cake and eat it. The gunning down of civilians on Bloody Sunday was just as despicable an act as any gunning down of civilians by paramilitary groups. The members of the security forces who informed and equipped the gunmen who shot people down are just as bad as those who pulled the trigger.

You cannot seek to be seen as the upholder of law and order if you actively subvert their most fundamental principles for some intangible sense of the greater good. That is after all the stuff of terrorism - the idea that going against law and order can be justified by a greater good.

If there was nothing to be ashamed of, if the security forces are so assured that the illegal activities they partook could not in any way be seen as equivalent to paramilitary violence. . .then why all the lies? Why the murky web of falsities, half-truths and limp justifications?
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corgie102p· 4 days ago
The " Into the dark " book by a retired RUC detective exposed the dirty work of the Special Branch of the RUC. Now we see the RUC retired officers threatening anyone who would dare to tell the truth. Once again we are reminded why the RUC were put out to pasture!
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neilharland76p· 4 days ago
No surprise the RUC special branch don't wish to talk. They took great pleasure in turning kids into robots and MKultra style experiments all sanctioned by her Royal highness, leaving a trail behind them. And lots of them have lined their pockets at the expense of the victims still struggling to get their own accounts heard and acknowledged.
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Surenah97p· 4 days ago
Of those killed by British security forces:
187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
1080 (~52%) were members of the British security forces
728 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
56 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
10 (~0.4%) were members of the Irish security forces

Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:
868 (~85.4%) were civilians
93 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1.3%) were members of the British security forces

Where do we begin?
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whatabouteryrules75p· 4 days ago
Those unhappy people who seek the truth are victims , and are seeking closure from injustice. Every man, woman and child resident in Northern Ireland for the past 50 yrs is a victim.
Sadly, the real cancer is in the bellies of those who feel victimised by the failure of the legal system, and the forces of law and order, to punish savagely the evildoers. These unlucky people have suffered agonies of hurt, many for several decades. It does not matter if their lost ones were innocent victims, or blood crazed psychopaths. In their eyes THEY are the real victims and their minds and judgement are unhinged by grief. An old testament eye-for-an-eye style retribution is demanded. THEY should realise that no words, no amount of tribunals or trials or truth forums will heal their wounds. The biggest watershed moment during the last hundred years in this country was the release of the prisoners, and this can be matched only by families and groups ceasing to clamour for retribution for past atrocities. The truly evil ones are without shame and shall never be punished as they deserve. A new watershed is needed, a new line drawn in the sand.
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Chrisdoh97p· 4 days ago
Do you call the UVF or the UDA brave men, as it was them who worked in collusion with the RUC and the BA, in the murdering of catholics
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jj148884p· 4 days ago
'Shoot to kill policy' the Police didn't do a very good job if this was an actual policy, the so called troubles could have been over alot sooner if the Police had adhered to this shoot to kill policy, just saying.
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justplainmad106p· 4 days ago
Let the truth be known; it's the least we can do to bring a sense of justice to the victims and their loved ones.
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Vinegar_Hill57p· 4 days ago
I totally see their point. How can we trust certain elements to admit uncomfortable truths - Gerry Adams won't even admit to being in the IRA despite the proverbial dogs in the street knowing otherwise!! There is no way we could trust the Republican movement to be honest unless politically expedient. Perhaps when they admit the full truth about the Disappeared (the location of remaining bodies for example) and when Adams finally admit his membership then we can talk business. I suspect calls for a truth commission are a fig leaf anyway - are the Sinn Fein leadership happy for the identities of all the informers within the IRA to be made public? I suspect if they were made public, a few more people would be getting Disappeared, and if certain allegations are to be believed, that includes some fairly prominent figures! Effect on the peace process of Republicans discovering their leadership who sold them the ceasefire are working for MI5?
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Tuesday, 17 September 2013

ORANGE ORDER FREE PUSSY RIOT CHURCH PROTEST RICHARD HAASS




British Paramilitary police were again present, as observers at morning worship, in what has become known as the Orange Order Free Pussy Church, in British Occupied Ireland, where there were unprecedented riots by the Orange Order three weeks ago, against  a Protestant minister who refuses to join the Orange Order. This week Orange order riots in Church were replaced by another “very visual” performance. 
For a third week in a row, the PSNI were present in the Protestant Curch of Ballynahinch Congregational Church, as an Orange Order section of the congregation, rose and left the building shortly after the start of service, in a“very visual” protest, as service began at 11.30am. On this occasion the riot of three weeks ago, was replaced by a different type Orange Order protest in the Church. The Orange Order Church rioters after leaving, reconvened in the nearby Orange Hall.
Prior to Sunday’s service, one of the church trustees, said that there would “definitely” be a protest at yesterday’s service where he also promised another “very visual” performance, similar to Free Pussy  Riot's 11 women from about 20 to 33, wearing orange colored balaclavas would stage a provocative guerrilla performance.The lyrical themes of the Orange Order such as the Sash, and Kick the Pope were also played, as Orange Order Free Pussy included opposition in their repetoire, to the visit of Richard Haass from the US to Ireland, whom they regard as a dictator. They have also sang a wee number titled, "Orange Prayer - Mother of God, Chase the American Fenians Away!. The Orange Order Church Rioters said, their protest was directed primarily at non secular Orange order ministers in Politics and the Church.






There was also a banner which contained a Bible verse from Jeremiah chapter 23, verse one, in which Jesus Christ, rants against pastors and American politicians who “destroy and scatter” the Children of Israel. The God fearing Rev Speers has said little in public, since the protests yesterday when asked about the banner. It's not clear, if Israel plans a drone strike, to help their beleaguered Orange order bretheren. Billy Hamilton, who is listed as bring responsible for the church bulletin, said he did not go to church in the morning. When he was asked why he was unable to attend, he said: “It’s none of your xxxxxxx business where I go.”
Last week a member of another Protestant church, appealed for an end to the Orange Order riots and protests, which he said brought “shame” on Christianity. Another said: “It is sad and heartbreaking to see the display of godless, carnal, unscriptural, unChristlike behaviour displayed in Ballynahinch Congregational Church.
“Scenes of wickedness and evil intent presented in the media are to be condemned by all true Christians and, indeed, all Congregationalists. There appears to be no evidence of saving grace or the mind of Christ in this vitriolic and vicious behaviour.”




Part of the protest is against Richard Haass who is to chair all-party talks, on the most divisive issues confronting British Occupied Ireland later this week and wants them to be as inclusive as possible. It is not clear, if he will rule on the burning issue of internment without trial by the British.





Calls for the Orange Order  to be declared a terrorist organization after rioting and preventing two church services in one week



On Sunday, around 40 orange men who are church members, left their seats in Ballynahinch Congregational Church and began to roar and shout at the minister. They roared "Out, Out, Out" and we want our fleg while clapping, whistling cheering and kicking the church furniture, while at the same time surrounding the minister in the pulpit. One orange man was spoken to by police for messing with the organ the organ.There has also been calls for all orange men to be barred from Church services in British Occupied Ireland before they cause anymore church riots and declared an illegal organization in Ireland.

A very senior church official in the Protestant church, says he has never saw anything like these orange men rioting in the church before, with other law abiding god fearing Protestants parishioners and their minister in a seriously divided Protestant congregation this week. Rev Victor Neill's commented on the Orange Order riot, after armed paramilitary police officers stormed the service at Ballynahinch Congregational Church, after their minister came under siege by a group of angry rioting Orange Order worshippers on Sunday."We wouldn't wish this on anyone, we haven't seen anything like it before,there are sometimes issues like this but I have never seen them reach this stage." said Rev Victor Neill, the chairperson of the Protestant Congregational Union of Ireland.

During the extraordinary rioting in the Church, the Rev George Speers was forced to use a megaphone, to try to be heard by his congregation, above the jeering Orange men from the pews while preaching. This is the second time this week, where Orange men have prevented a congregation in a church in British Occupied Ireland, from hearing their preacher and praying, They also blasted a Catholic Church with sectarian flute noise and cacophonous Lambeg drums, while a priest was attempting to say mass. Aside from the orange sectarianism against Catholics, they are now turning on their own with riots in Protestant churches, with the paramilitary PSNI police forced to storm and invade the Protestant Church to bring the riot under control. It is understood that the PSNI considered using water cannon and plastic bullets in the Church at one stage. Disputes inspired by the Orange Order have split Protestant parishioners and church-goers who support the minister and those who support the Orange Order.


Many of the details are sketchy because the Orange Order, are involved in a massive cover up about their own involvement with the attacks on the Protestant minister under siege and under attack. Rev Neill said: "We can do no more than offer our help and wait and see.We issued our statement to both sides but no-one has come forward." Geoff Buchanan who is involved with the boys at the church, says he understands both sides in the bitter row but the rioting of the Orange Order protest was inappropriate in a church setting."There were a lot of young children there and it is hard to justify that sort of rioting and level of noise. I am pretty neutral in this, but both sides have dug trenches and are very reluctant to back down.There needs to be a cooling off period and mediation so both sides can learn to be in the same building together."

Trustee Trevor Carruthers said: "I was 12 stone 6 when this all started and I dropped to 10 stone 6." while trustee Jimmy McClenaghan said: "This has been going on for more than two years, people can't sleep at night.I know one Orange woman who went to the doctors to get drugs and the doctor said, 'I suppose you belong to that Protestant church as well over there.'" It is also understood, that some republican paramilitaries have offered to protect the minister from the Orange Order. It is also understood, that the republican Mayor of Belfast, has offered to mediate but has been told in no uncertain terms to fcuk off, unless he puts the Fleg back up. There are also reports that the the Orange Order have called in the Ulster Volunteer Force and death threats have been issued to the Protestant minister from loyalist paramilitaries.Some commentators in the Belfast Telegraph give us a little more insight into the secret affair which is being covered up.