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Sunday, 19 April 2015

PEDO & GOAT REPTILES



Disabled and elderly to suffer as community transport budget slashed by a third in £60m DRD cuts




Community transport is to have its budget slashed with Danny Kennedy told to make £60m savings

BY ADRIAN RUTHERFORD – 18 APRIL 2015
Funding for community transport schemes across Northern Ireland is being slashed because of cutbacks, it has been revealed.

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Up to a third could be wiped from budgets as a result of financial pressures, groups have been told.

Transport Minister Danny Kennedy needs to make savings of £60m this year, leading to reductions in spending across the board.

The move is likely to affect the most vulnerable in society, including the disabled and the elderly.

One community transport scheme based in Co Down said it had seen its funding sliced from £428,303 to £323,542 - a drop of 25%.

Another group in the Causeway area said funding for schemes there could be reduced by a third.

Ukip MLA David McNarry, a member of Stormont's regional development committee, has vowed to fight the cutbacks. "This is striking right at the heart of very vulnerable people in their communities," he said.

Community transport partnerships provide accessible door-to-door and group travel services to older people and people with disabilities.

The services are run by a wide range of community operators.

However, the Department for Regional Development (DRD), which helps to finance community transport, is cutting back on funding. Among the groups affected is Compass Advocacy Network, which helps people with learning disabilities, autism and mental health issues throughout the Causeway area.

Its director Janet Schofield said the group had been told that a third of all provision has been cut across the board. "We recognise that the current financial situation means sacrifices have to be made," she said.

"However, this is another example of the most vulnerable in our society being hit and the lack of respect for the services provided by the voluntary and community sector." One of the group's users attends a 'Base' project three times a week.

She said: "I live in a tiny village outside Ballymena. I can't drive, there are no buses where I live and my mum works from home so it's impossible for her to take me in to the Base in the morning.

"Community transport is a lifeline as it means I can get to my work and to the Base."

The cutbacks are due to be discussed when DRD officials appear before the regional development committee next week.

Mr Kennedy said that since becoming minister in 2011, he had protected the baseline budget for community transport year on year and, where possible, supplemented it with in-year funding.

He added: "My department will be working closely with the service providers to explore ways of delivering the service in a more cost-efficient manner and will seek to minimise the impact on the end user."

DRD said the grant to rural community transport had been cut from £2.75m to £2.4m.

Additional money made available last year, raising the grant to £3.6m, is unlikely to be available this time.

My View: Most vulnerable in society are hit again


By Janet Schofield

Our group works with people with learning disabilities, autism and mental health issues throughout the Causeway area.

In the last two days we have had a steady stream of service users, parents and carers concerned about the cuts to community transport.

Community transport is provided for some of the most vulnerable people in our society including people with learning disabilities and physical disabilities. The vast majority of our service users are unable to drive and, as a rural area, many public transport links are inaccessible or individuals are not able to travel on public transport independently.

If the people who depend on community transport could use public transport, they would.

More often than not, the community transport provision makes the difference between someone being at home and someone being at their job, at college, at one of the projects we run or training for work.

The knock-on effect of these cuts will be devastating to individuals, parents and carers at a time when welfare reform is already causing significant worry.

This isn't a free service - our members contribute towards their fare but it is subsidised, making it an affordable alternative to private taxis.

We have been told that a third of all provision has been cut across the board.

Further cuts to community transport will mean that many of our service users will be unable to avail of services, education, work placements, training placements, jobs, and social and leisure opportunities.

We recognise that the current financial situation means sacrifices have to be made.

However, this is another example of the most vulnerable in our society being hit and the lack of respect for the services provided by the voluntary and community sector.
Janet Schofield is director of Compass Advocacy Network (CAN), a charitable user-led organisation that provides services to more than 250 people



Chomsky Says US, Irish Blog says UK is World’s Biggest Terrorist


By Euro News

April 18, 2015 "ICH" - "Euronews" - Isabelle Kumar: “The world in 2015 seems a very unsettled place but if we take a big picture view do you feel optimistic or pessimistic about the general state of play?”

Noam Chomsky: “In the global scene we are racing towards a precipice which we are determined to fall over which will sharply reduce the prospects for decent survival.”

Isabelle Kumar: “What precipice is that?”

Noam Chomsky: “There are actually two, one is environmental catastrophe which is imminent and we don’t have a lot of time to deal with it and we are going the wrong way, and the other has been around for 70 years, the threat of nuclear war, which is in fact increasing. If you look at the record it is a miracle we have survived.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Let’s look at the environmental issues, we have asked our social media audience to send in questions and we have hordes of questions. We received this question from Enoa Agoli who asks, when you look at this issue of the environment and you look at it through a philosopher’s lens, what do you think about climate change?”

Noam Chomsky: “The human species has been around for maybe a 100,000 years and it is now facing a unique moment in its history. This species is now in a position where it will decide very soon, in the next few generations, whether the experiment in so-called intelligent life will proceed or are we determined to destroy it? I mean scientists overwhelmingly recognise that most of the fossil fuels have to be left in the ground if our grandchildren are going to have decent prospects. But the institutional structures of our society are pressuring to try to extract every drop. The effects, the human consequences, of the predicted effects of climate change in the not very distant future, are catastrophic and we are racing toward that precipice.”

Isabelle Kumar: “In terms of nuclear war we see the prospect of this Iran deal has reached a preliminary agreement. Does that provide you with a glimmer of hope that the world could potentially be a safer place?”

Noam Chomsky: “I’m in favour of the Iran negotiations but they are profoundly flawed. There are two states that rampage in the middle east carrying out aggressions, violence, terrorist acts, illegal acts, constantly. They’re both huge nuclear weapon states and their nuclear armorments. And their nuclear weapons are not being considered.”

Isabelle Kumar: “And who exactly are you referring to?”

Noam Chomsky: “The United States and Israel. The two major nuclear states in the world. I mean there’s a reason why, in international polls, run by US polling agencies, the United States is regarded as the greatest threat to world peace by an overwhelming margin. No other country is even close. It’s kind of interesting that the US media refused to publish this. But it doesn’t go away.”

Isabelle Kumar: “You don’t hold US President Obama in very high esteem. But does this deal make you think of him in slightly better terms? The fact that he is trying to reduce the threat of nuclear war?”

Noam Chomsky: “ Well, actually he isn’t. He’s just initiated a trillion dollar programme of modernisation of the US nuclear weapon system, which means expanding the nuclear weapon system. That’s one the reasons why the famous doomsday clock, established by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has, just a couple of weeks ago, been pushed two minutes closer to midnight. Midnight is the end. It’s now three minutes from midnight. That’s the closest it’s been in thirty years. Since the early Regan years when there was a major war scare.”

Isabelle Kumar: “You mentioned the US and Israel in terms of Iran. Now, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu obviously doesn’t want the Iran nuclear deal to work, and he says…”

Noam Chomsky: “That’s interesting. We should ask why.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Why?

Noam Chomsky: “We know why. Iran has very low military expenditures, even by the standards of the region, let alone the United States. Iran’s strategic doctrine is defensive, it’s designed to hold off an attack long enough for diplomacy to start, and the United States and Israel, the two rogue states, do not want to tolerate a deterrent. No strategic analyst with a brain function thinks that Iran would ever use a nuclear weapon. Even if it were prepared to do so the country would simply be vaporised and there’s no indication that the ruling clerics, whatever you think about the, want to see everything they have destroyed.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Just one more question on this issue and it’s via social media, from Morten A. Andersen. He asks, “Do you believe that the US would ever strike a deal that would be dangerous to Israel in the first place?”

Noam Chomsky: “The United States is carrying out constant actions which are dangerous to Israel, very seriously. Namely supporting Israeli policy. For the last 40 years the greatest threat to Israel has been its own policies. If you look back 40 years, say to 1970, Israel was one of the most respected and admired countries in the world. There were lots of favorable attitudes to it. Now, it’s one of the most disliked and feared countries in the world. In the early 70s Israel made a decision. They had a choice and they made a decision to prefer expansion to security and that carries with it dangerous consequences. Consequences which were obvious at the time – I wrote about them and other people did – if you prefer expansion to security it is going to lead to internal degeneration, anger, opposition, isolation and possibly ultimate destruction. And by supporting those policies, the United States is contributing to the threats that Israel faces.”

Isabelle Kumar: “That’s brings me to the subject of terrorism then. Because that is really a global blight and some people, I think including yourself, will say that this is blowback for US terrorist policy around the world. How far is the US and its allies responsible for what we’re seeing now in terms of the terrorist attacks around the world?”

Noam Chomsky: “Remember the worst terrorist campaign in the world by far is the one that’s being orchestrated in Washington. That’s the global assassination campaign. There’s never been a terrorist campaign of that scale.”

Isabelle Kumar: “When you say global assassination campaign…?”

Noam Chomsky: “The drone campaign – that’s exactly what it is. Over large parts of the world, the United States is systematically, publically, openly – there’s nothing secret about what I’m saying, we all know it – it’s carrying out regular campaigns to assassinated people who the US government suspects of intending to harm it someday. And indeed it is, as you mentioned, a terror generated campaign, and when you bomb a village in Yemen, say, and you kill somebody – maybe the person you were aiming at maybe not – and other people who happened to be in the neighbourhood – how do you think they are going to react? They’re going to take revenge.”

Isabelle Kumar: “You describe the US as the leading terrorist state. Where does Europe fit into that picture then?”

Noam Chomsky: “Well, that’s an interesting question. So for example there was recently a study. I think it was done by the Open Society Foundation… the worst form of torture is rendition. Rendition means you take somebody you suspect of something, and you send them off to your favourite dictator, maybe Assad or Gadaffi or Mubarak, to be tortured, hoping that maybe something will come out of it. That’s extraordinary rendition. The study reviewed the countries that participated in this, well obviously the Middle East dictatorships because that’s where they were sent to be tortured, and Europe. Most of Europe participated; England, Sweden, other countries. In fact, there’s only one region in the world where nobody participated: Latin America. Which is pretty dramatic. And first of all Latin America has now become pretty much out of US control. When it was controlled by the United States, not very long ago, it was the world’s centre of torture. Now, it didn’t participate in the worst form of torture, which is rendition. Europe participated. If the master roars, the servants cower.”

Isabelle Kumar: “So Europe is the servant of the United States?”

Noam Chomsky: “ Definitely. They are too cowardly to take an independent position.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Where does Vladimir Putin fit into this picture? He’s painted as one of the greatest threats to security. Is he?”

Noam Chomsky: “Like most leaders, he’s a threat to his own population. He’s taken illegal actions, obviously. But to depict him as a crazed monster who is suffering from brain disease and has Alzheimer’s, and is a rat-faced evil creature, that’s standard Orwellian fanaticism. I mean, whatever you think about his policies, they are understandable. The idea that Ukraine might join a Western military alliance would be quite unacceptable to any Russian leader. This goes back to 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed. There was a question about what would happen with NATO. Now Gorbachov agreed to allow Germany to be unified and to join NATO. It was a pretty remarkable concession with a quid pro quo: that NATO would not expand one inch to the east. That was the phrase that was used.”

Isabelle Kumar: “So Russia has been provoked?”

Noam Chomsky: “Well, what happened? NATO instantly moved into East Germany and then Clinton came along and expanded NATO right to the borders of Russia. Now, the new Ukrainian government, the government established after the overthrow of the preceding one, now the parliament voted 300 to 8 or something like that, to move to join NATO.”

Isabelle Kumar: “But you can understand why they would want to join NATO, you can see why Petro Porochenko’s government would probably see it as protecting their country?”

Noam Chomsky: “No, no, no, no. That’s not protecting. Crimea was taken away after the overthrow of the government, right. And this is not protecting Ukraine, it is threatening Ukraine with major war. Now that’s not protection. The point is, this is a serious strategic threat to Russia, which any Russian leader would have to react to. That’s well understood.”

Isabelle Kumar: “If we look at the situation in Europe though, there’s also another interesting phenomenon that’s taking place. We’re seeing Greece moving towards the East, potentially, with the Syriza government. We’re also seeing Podemos, which is gaining power in Spain, also in Hungary. Do you see that there is a potential for Europe to start shirting and aligning itself more with Russian interests?”

Noam Chomsky: “Take a look at what’s happening. Hungary is a different situation entirely. Syriza came into office on the basis of a popular wave which said that Greece should no longer subject itself to policies from Brussels and the German banks which are destroying the country. The effect of these policies has been actually to increase Greece’s debt relative to its wealth production; probably a half of young people are unemployed, probably 40% of the population is living under the poverty line, Greece is being destroyed.”

Isabelle Kumar: “So should their debt be written off?”

Noam Chomsky: “Yes, just like Germany’s was. In 1953, when Europe wrote off most of Germany’s debt. Just like that, so that Germany would be able to reconstruct from wartime damage.”

Isabelle Kumar: “But then what about all the other European countries…?”

Noam Chomsky: “ Same story.”

Isabelle Kumar: “So Portugal should have its debt written off, Spain should have its debt written off…?”

Noam Chomsky: “Who incurred this debt? And who is the debt owed to? In part, the debt was incurred by dictators. So in Greece it was the fascist dictatorship, which the US supported, that incurred a large part of the debt. The debt I think was more brutal than the dictatorship, and that’s what’s called in international law, “odious debt” which need not be paid, and that’s a principal introduced into international law by the United States, when it was in their interest to do so. Much of the rest of the debt, what is called payments to Greece are in fact payments to banks, German and French banks, which had decided to make extremely risky loans with not very high interest and are now being faced with the fact that they can’t be paid back.”

Isabelle Kumar: “I’d like to ask this question now, from Gil Gribaudo, who asks, “How will Europe transform then, versus the existential challenges it’s facing?” Because yes there’s the economic crisis, and there’s also a rise in nationalism, and you’ve also described some cultural fault lines which have been created across Europe. How do you see Europe transforming itself?” ‏

Noam Chomsky: “ Europe has serious problems. Some of the problems are the result of economic policies designed by the bureaucrats in Brussels, the European Commission and so on, under the pressure of NATO and the big banks, mostly German ones. These policies make some sense from the point of view of the designers. For one thing they want to be paid back for their risky and hazardous loans and investments, and the other thing is that these policies are eroding the welfare state, which they’ve never liked. But the welfare state is one of Europe’s major contributions to modern society, but the rich and powerful have never liked it and the fact that these policies are eroding it is good from their point of view. There’s another problem in Europe, it’s extremely racist. I’ve always felt that Europe is probably more racist than the United States. It wasn’t as visible in Europe because the European populations in the past tended to be pretty homogeneous. So if everybody is blonde and blue-eyed, then you don’t seem racist, but as soon as the population begins to change racism comes out of the woodwork. Very fast. And that’s a serious cultural problem in Europe.”

Isabelle Kumar: “I’d like to end, because we’re very short of time, with a question from Robert Light on a more positive note. He asks, “What gives you hope?”

Noam Chomsky: “ What gives me hope is a couple of things we’ve talked about. Latin American independence for example. That’s of historic significance. We’re going to see it right now, in the Summit of Americas meeting in Panama. In the recent hemispheric meetings, the United States has been completely isolated. It’s a radical change from 10 or 20 years ago, when the United States ran [Latin American affairs]. In fact the reason why Obama made his gestures towards Cuba was to try to overcome American, US isolation. It’s the US that’s isolated, not Cuba. And probably it will fail. We will see. The signs for optimism in Europe are Syriza and Podemos. Hopefully there is finally a popular uprising against the the crushing, destructive economic and social policies that come from the bureaucracy and the banks, and that’s very hopeful. Should be.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Noam Chomsky, many thanks for being with us.”

Friday, 8 August 2014

DIVIDE & RULE OF OCCUPIED TERRITORIES PALESTINE & IRELAND


Other people have a nationality. The Irish and the Jews have a psychosis - Brendan Behan

I was court-martialled in my absence, and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence - Brendan Behan
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Divide and Rule

In politics, divide and rule, derives from the Greek :διαίρει καὶ βασίλευε, diaírei kaì basíleue, describing gaining and maintaining power by breaking up concentrations of power into smaller pieces that individually can be managed and have less power than the the strategist. The strategy breaks up existing power structures and prevents smaller power groups from alliances linking up.

The saying divide et impera or divide ut regnes were utilised by the Roman Emperor Caesar and the French Emperor Napoleon. The example of Gabinius exists, splitting the Jewish nation into five conventions, reported by Flavius Josephus in Book I, 169-170 of The Wars of the Jews or De bello Judaico. This is also how the British conquered Ireland initially and still uses political agents, within the Irish republican leadership, who aside from spying, sow suspicion and division, Strabo also reports in Geography, 8.7.3 that theAchaean League was gradually dissolved under the Roman possession of the whole of Macedonia, owing to them not dealing with several states in the same way, but wishing to preserve some and destroy others.

In modern times, Traiano Boccalini cites "divide et impera" in La bilancia politica, 1,136 and 2,225 as a common principle in politics. The use of this technique is meant to empower the sovereign to control subjects, populations, or factions of different interests, who collectively might be able to oppose his rule. Machiavelli identified a similar application in military strategy, advising in Book VI ,of The Art of War (Dell'arte della guerra), that a Captain, should attempt, with every art, to divide the forces of the enemy, either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause, that he has to separate his forces, and because of this, become weaker.

The strategy of division and rule has been attributed to sovereigns ranging from Louis XI to the Habsburgs. Edward Coke denounces it in Chapter I of the Fourth Part of the Institutes, reporting that when it was demanded by the Lords and Commons what might be a principal motive for them to have good success in Parliament, it was answered: "Eritis insuperabiles, si fueritis inseparabiles. Explosum est illud diverbium: Divide, & impera, cum radix & vertex imperii in obedientium consensus rata sunt." You would be insuperable if you were inseparable. This proverb, Divide and Rule, has been rejected, since the root and the summit of authority are confirmed by the consent of the subjects. On the other hand, in a minor variation, Sir Francis Bacon wrote the phrase "separa et impera" in a letter to James Iof 15 February 1615. James Madison made this recommendation in a letter to Thomas Jefferson of 24 October 1787, which summarized the thesis of The Federalist #10:"Divide et impera, the reprobated axiom of tyranny, is under certain (some) qualifications, the only policy, by which a republic can be administered on just principles." In Perpetual Peace: A Philosophical Sketch by Immanuel Kant (1795), Appendix one, Divide et imperais the third of three political maxims, the others being Fac et excusa :Act now, and make excuses later and Si fecisti, nega : when you commit a crime, deny it.

Elements of this technique involve:


creating or encouraging divisions among the 

subjects to prevent alliances that could challenge the sovereign

aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the sovereign

fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers

encouraging meaningless expenditures that reduce the capability for political and military spending


Historically, this strategy was used in many different ways by empires seeking to expand their territories.The Occupied Territories of Palestine and Ireland from the former British Empire know all about that. For those who are paying attention we can draw the same lessons of the problem and of the solution from this, primarily, unity and solidarity, despite the many agents of division inserted.

Saturday, 21 June 2014

BRITISH HUMAN RIGHTS CRIMES 'Assange.. free ..next few days' - WikiLeaks?





Noam Chomsky: The Corporate Elite Are Actively Courting Disaster  Link





ROTTEN RUC INFILTRATE BRITISH POLICE IN IRELAND AND ENGLAND

The disgraced RUC are running the British paramiltary force again in Occupied Ireland, with almost all of the corrupt politicians at Stormont compromised and woe betide any Irish Nationalist seeking justice of this industrial war machine. Yes it's business as usual,  with the shiny new ex-RUC Chief Constable George Hamilton in charge,

The chief constable of West Yorkshire Police has been suspended, pending an investigation by his former force in Occuped Ireland. Gilmore, who grew up in Belfast and spent most of his police career in the RUC in British Occupied Ireland, was suspended by the West Yorkshire police and crime commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson. Also former Assistant chief constable Duncan McCausland, in 2010, has been questioned over alleged corruption regarding police vehicle contracts.

A 37-year-old member of RUC/PSNI staff arrested on Tuesday, as part of a police corruption investigation was released yesterday evening, pending a report being sent to the Public Prosecution Service. The list goes on and rather than waste time,  the whole lot of these RUC/PSNI are rotten and corrupt, policing the Scum State of British Occupied Ireland. This is why the native populance throw stones, rubbish, petrol bombs at them when, they come into their housing estates.


In the meantime an official has been suspended from dutym. The RUC/PSNI said in a statement, \the suspects were arrested on suspicion of a range of offences, including bribery, misconduct in public office and procuring misconduct in public office.

One is a former high-ranking RUC/PSNI officer. Another a serving British paramilitary RUC/PSNI police officer and two other men also in custody in Antrim police station, while two men are being questioned in England.

As part of this continuing investigation into alleged corruption over RUC/PSNI vehicle contracts, a 71-year-old man was detained in Co Down yesterday on suspicion of bribery and procuring misconduct in public office. He remains in custody.

Huge amounts of British taxpayers monies, are being spent on the disgraced RUC/PSNI since 2002 re-hiring corrupt RUC officers, involved in collusion and Britain's ongoing dirty war against the Irish natives, with the old RUC  working as agency staff.The amount of British taxpayers money squandered is staggering, with a £106m bill for ex-RUC officers; the increase of these veterans's numbers going back into the PSNI, on a regular basis, from hundreds of personnel annually in 2002, to thousands annually, just a few years later, and by the start of 2012, 75% of agency workers in the British paramilitary police, coming solely from ex-RUC personnel, many of them also in secret, sectarian, loyalist organizations.


The British brought back these retired policemen, after searching in every luxury holiday home complex, beach and golf courses along places like the Rivera and sex resorts like Pattaya, to persuade these beer bellied ex-pats, to come back home, to earn plenty of dosh, supporting the inexperienced, frail paramilitary PSNI. With so many aged ex-RUC officers back on the payroll, it suggests major problems within the paramilitary PSNI and no expertise. Many of the more experienced paramilitary British police, have gone further afield, to earn massive amounts of money, as mercenaries in the private wars of Central African business.

Several senior former RUC senior officers, are working in police forces of many tinpot dictatorships, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course it is too late for Sinn Fein to complain now, about the re-hiring of so many old RUC staff. They foolishly signed up to an arrangement at St Andrews in 2006, which handed full control, to the unsupervised British Secret Service of MI5, who have just appointed ex-RUC officer, George Hamilton as Chief Constable, from the ranks of the disgraced RUC,
The leading role of the British Secret Service MI5, a law unto themselves in all policing operations in British Occupied Ireland, is motivated by huge overspend, particularly with cozy arrangements of old wine in new bottles, that have come back into the paramilitary PSNI, now under the supreme command of one of their own, RUC Chief Constable George Hamilton. Neither the elected Executive and the Department of Justice, have any operational control over any policing in British Occupied Ireland, which is farcical in supposed Peace process context

There are of course major concerns about, ex-RUC officers, who have past form in running sectarian killer agents, who murdered Human Rights lawyers and whole innocent families at random, which has been thoroughly documented within both republican and loyalist organisations. None of these numerous killers within the RUC have been brought to justice.

The RUC handling of informants, directly involved in hate crimes, including murder, particularly by UVF/RUC double agents, is one of the biggest scandals of the troubles. There surely will be new scandals in the very near future, involving loyalist sectarian activists and pseudo-republicans committing murder crimes, while all the time working for RUC again, along with British Secret Service MI5 state assets, in British Occupied Ireland. The RUC are running the force again with almost all politicians compromised and woe betide any Irish Nationalist seeking justice of the machine. Yes it's business as usual with the shiny new RUC Chief Constable George Hamilton.


The huge sums of British taxpayers money involved in RUC/PSNI corruption and bribery, in the procurement of jeeps and war equipment, is just a small part of the overall massive sums of monies, wasted on colluding corrupt politicians at Stormont and Westmnister, political prisoners, careerist informers, secret sevice agencies and corrupt judicial bribery. The British paramilitary police are scum, just like the politicians and the whole British industrial war comples in Ireland which is simply a money making racket at the ordinary British taxpayers expense.






Thursday, 19 June 2014

CHRIS HEDGES INTERVIEWS NOAM CHOMSKY AS NEWRY PROTESTS



Noam Chomsky is a renowned professor of linguistics at MIT. He has authored over 30 political books dissecting U.S. interventionism in the developing world, the political economy of human rights and the propaganda role of corporate media.

Transcript

Chris Hedges Interviews Noam Chomsky (1/3)CHRIS HEDGES, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Let's begin with a classic paradigm which is throughout the Industrial Revolution, which has been cited by theorists from Marx to Kropotkin to Proudhon and to yourself, that you build a consciousness among workers within the manufacturing class, and eventually you lead to a kind of autonomous position where workers can control their own production.
We now live in a system, a globalized system, where most of the working class in industrial countries like the United States are service workers. We have reverted to a Dickensian system where those who actually produced live in conditions that begin to replicate almost slave labor--and, I think, as you have written, in places like southern China in fact are slave [labor]. What's the new paradigm for resistance? You know, how do we learn from the old and confront the new?
NOAM CHOMSKY, LINGUIST AND POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think we can draw many very good lessons from the early period of the Industrial Revolution. It was, of course, earlier in England, but let's take here in the United States. The Industrial Revolution took off right around here, eastern Massachusetts, mid 19th century. This was a period when independent farmers were being driven into the industrial system--men and women, incidentally, women from the farms, so-called factory girls--and they bitterly resented it. It was a period of a very free press, the most in the history of the country. There was a wide variety of journals, ethnic, labor, or others. And when you read them, they're pretty fascinating.
The people driven into the industrial system regarded it as an attack on their personal dignity, on their rights as human beings. They were free human beings who were being forced into what they called wage slavery, which they regarded as not very different from chattel slavery. In fact, this was such a popular view that it was actually a slogan of the Republican Party, that the only difference between working for a wage and being a slave is that working for a wage is supposedly temporary--pretty soon you'll be free. Other than that, they're not different.
And they bitterly resented the fact that the industrial system was even taking away their rich cultural life. And the cultural life was rich. You know, there are by now studies of the British working class and the American working class, and they were part of high culture of the day. Actually, I remembered this as late as the 1930s with my own family, you know, sort of unemployed working-class, and they said, this is being taken away from us, we're being forced to be something like slaves. They argued that if you're, say, a journeyman, a craftsman, and you sell your product, you're selling what you produced. If you're a wage earner, you're selling yourself, which is deeply offensive. They condemned what they called the new spirit of the age: gain wealth, forgetting all but self. Sounds familiar.
And it was extremely radical. It was combined with the most radical democratic movement in American history, the early populist movement--radical farmers. It began in Texas, spread into the Midwest--enormous movement of farmers who wanted to free themselves from the domination by the Northeastern bankers and capitalists, guys that ran the markets, you know, sort of forced them to sell what they produced on credit and squeeze them with credit and so on. They went on to develop their own banks, their own cooperatives. They started to link up with the Knights of Labor--major labor movement which held that, as they put it, those who work in the mills ought to own them, that it should be a free, democratic society.
These were very powerful movements. By the 1890s, you know, workers were taking over towns and running them in Western Pennsylvania. Homestead was a famous case. Well, they were crushed by force. It took some time. Sort of the final blow was Woodrow Wilson's red scare right after the First World War, which virtually crushed the labor movement.
At the same time, in the early 19th century, the business world recognized, both in England and the United States, that sufficient freedom had been won so that they could no longer control people just by violence. They had to turn to new means of control. The obvious ones were control of opinions and attitudes. That's the origins of the massive public relations industry, which is explicitly dedicated to controlling minds and attitudes.
The first--it partly was government. The first government commission was the British Ministry of Information. This is long before Orwell--he didn't have to invent it. So the Ministry of Information had as its goal to control the minds of the people of the world, but particularly the minds of American intellectuals, for a very good reason: they knew that if they can delude American intellectuals into supporting British policy, they could be very effective in imposing that on the population of the United States. The British, of course, were desperate to get the Americans into the war with a pacifist population. Woodrow Wilson won the 1916 election with the slogan "Peace without Victory". And they had to drive a pacifist population into a population that bitterly hated all things German, wanted to tear the Germans apart. The Boston Symphony Orchestra couldn't play Beethoven. You know. And they succeeded.
Wilson set up a counterpart to the Ministry of Information called the Committee on Public Information. You know, again, you can guess what it was. And they've at least felt, probably correctly, that they had succeeded in carrying out this massive change of opinion on the part of the population and driving the pacifist population into, you know, warmongering fanatics.
And the people on the commission learned a lesson. One of them was Edward Bernays, who went on to found--the main guru of the public relations industry. Another one was Walter Lippman, who was the leading progressive intellectual of the 20th century. And they both drew the same lessons, and said so.
The lessons were that we have what Lippmann called a "new art" in democracy, "manufacturing consent". That's where Ed Herman and I took the phrase from. For Bernays it was "engineering of consent". The conception was that the intelligent minority, who of course is us, have to make sure that we can run the affairs of public affairs, affairs of state, the economy, and so on. We're the only ones capable of doing it, of course. And we have to be--I'm quoting--"free of the trampling and the roar of the bewildered herd", the "ignorant and meddlesome outsiders"--the general public. They have a role. Their role is to be "spectators", not participants. And every couple of years they're permitted to choose among one of the "responsible men", us.
And the John Dewey circle took the same view. Dewey changed his mind a couple of years later, to his credit, but at that time, Dewey and his circle were writing that--speaking of the First World War, that this was the first war in history that was not organized and manipulated by the military and the political figures and so on, but rather it was carefully planned by rational calculation of "the intelligent men of the community", namely us, and we thought it through carefully and decided that this is the reasonable thing to do, for all kind of benevolent reasons.
And they were very proud of themselves.
There were people who disagreed. Like, Randolph Bourne disagreed. He was kicked out. He couldn't write in the Deweyite journals. He wasn't killed, you know, but he was just excluded.
And if you take a look around the world, it was pretty much the same. The intellectuals on all sides were passionately dedicated to the national cause--all sides, Germans, British, everywhere.
There were a few, a fringe of dissenters, like Bertrand Russell, who was in jail; Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, in jail; Randolph Bourne, marginalized; Eugene Debs, in jail for daring to question the magnificence of the war. In fact, Wilson hated him with such passion that when he finally declared an amnesty, Debs was left out, you know, had to wait for Warren Harding to release him. And he was the leading labor figure in the country. He was a candidate for president, Socialist Party, and so on.
But the lesson that came out is we believe you can and of course ought to control the public, and if we can't do it by force, we'll do it by manufacturing consent, by engineering of consent. Out of that comes the huge public relations industry, massive industry dedicated to this.
Incidentally, it's also dedicated to undermining markets, a fact that's rarely noticed but is quite obvious. Business hates markets. They don't want to--and you can see it very clearly. Markets, if you take an economics course, are based on rational, informed consumers making rational choices. Turn on the television set and look at the first ad you see. It's trying to create uninformed consumers making irrational choices. That's the whole point of the huge advertising industry. But also to try to control and manipulate thought. And it takes various forms in different institutions. The media do it one way, the academic institutions do it another way, and the educational system is a crucial part of it.
This is not a new observation. There's actually an interesting essay by--Orwell's, which is not very well known because it wasn't published. It's the introduction toAnimal Farm. In the introduction, he addresses himself to the people of England and he says, you shouldn't feel too self-righteous reading this satire of the totalitarian enemy, because in free England, ideas can be suppressed without the use of force. And he doesn't say much about it. He actually has two sentences. He says one reason is the press "is owned by wealthy men" who have every reason not to want certain ideas to be expressed.
But the second reason, and the more important one in my view, is a good education, so that if you've gone to all the good schools, you know, Oxford, Cambridge, and so on, you have instilled into you the understanding that there are certain things it wouldn't do to say--and I don't think he went far enough: wouldn't do to think. And that's very broad among the educated classes. That's why overwhelmingly they tend to support state power and state violence, and maybe with some qualifications, like, say, Obama is regarded as a critic of the invasion of Iraq. Why? Because he thought it was a strategic blunder. That puts him on the same moral level as some Nazi general who thought that the second front was a strategic blunder--you should knock off England first. That's called criticism.
And sometimes it's kind of outlandish. For example, there was just a review inThe New York Times Book Review of Glenn Greenwald's new book by Michael Kinsley, and which bitterly condemned him as--mostly character assassination. Didn't say anything substantive. But Kinsley did say that it's ridiculous to think that there's any repression in the media in the United States, 'cause we can write quite clearly and criticize anything. And he can, but then you have to look at what he says, and it's quite interesting.
In the 1980s, when the major local news story was the massive U.S. atrocities in Central America--they were horrendous; I mean, it wasn't presented that way, but that's what was happening--Kinsley was the voice of the left on television. And there were interesting incidents. At one point, the U.S. Southern Command, which ran--you know, it was the overseer of these actions--gave instructions to the terrorist force that they were running in Nicaragua, called the Contras--and they were a terrorist force--they gave them orders to--they said "not to (...) duke it out with the Sandinistas", meaning avoid the Nicaraguan army, and attack undefended targets like agricultural cooperatives and, you know, health clinics and so on. And they could do it, because they were the first guerrillas in history to have high-level communications equipment, you know, computers and so on. The U.S., the CIA, just controlled the air totally, so they could send instructions to the terrorist forces telling them how to avoid the Nicaraguan army detachments and attack undefended civilian targets.
Well, this was mentioned; you know, it wasn't publicized, but it was mentioned. And Americas Watch, which later became part of Human Rights Watch, made some protests. And Michael Kinsley responded. He condemned Americas Watch for their emotionalism. He said, we have to recognize that we have to accept a pragmatic criterion. We have to ask--something like this--he said, we have to compare the amount of blood and misery poured in with the success of the outcome in producing democracy--what we'll call democracy. And if it meets the pragmatic criterion, then terrorist attacks against civilian targets are perfectly legitimate--which is not a surprising view in his case. He's the editor ofThe New RepublicThe New Republic, supposedly a liberal journal, was arguing that we should support Latin American fascists because there are more important things than human rights in El Salvador, where they were murdering tens of thousands of people.
That's the liberals. And, yeah, they can get in the media no problem. And they're praised for it, regarded with praise. All of this is part of the massive system of--you know, it's not that anybody sits at the top and plans at all; it's just exactly as Orwell said: it's instilled into you. It's part of a deep indoctrination system which leads to a certain way of looking at the world and looking at authority, which says, yes, we have to be subordinate to authority, we have to believe we're very independent and free and proud of it. As long as we keep within the limits, we are. Try to go beyond those limits, you're out.









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    interesting question from hedges. interesting history from chomsky. answer to the question would have been interesting.




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        One of the things that makes me suspicious of people like Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Thom Hartmann, etc, is that they rarely if ever name the names of the plutocratic families, the corporate oligarchs and the international banksters that are wreaking havoc upon the People, both here in the USA and around the world and upon our beloved Mother Earth.
        And they rarely if ever connect the dots and present the Big Picture and what is coming down the pike.
        Moreover, they spend little to no time presenting well-thought-out viable step-by-step plans of action with strategies and tactics that each and every one of us must take if we are to get to a place where it will be easier to usher in a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom.




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            There seems to be a lot of empty chariots around. lots of complaining, no revolution in the works. The only way to beat moneyed power is a long term movement(8-12 years) planned to overthrow the government. I see no plan in the works.
            To see how complaint the mainstream media has become watch NPR News., now a vassal of the oligarchs.
            Paul Craig Roberts is a truth teller The USA is entrenched in its madness.. particularly the powerful. No mention of breaking out of war cycle or improving quality of life . Entrenched. Empty suits running the world.




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                We have the capability of providing food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare, to the most excellent degree, for each and every man, woman and child on the face of the earth, and to do it in such a way that was in Harmony with Nature rather than against Nature. We already have a gazillion creative solutions.
                Here is a rough draft of my proposal. Please feel free to critique it and tear it apart if you must. Let us learn together and come up with a step-by-step outline of how we go from the current state of affairs to a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom.
                At the moment, the Presidency is pretty much out of reach.
                The system is rigged and at this level it is difficult to overcome.
                We need to change the laws.
                We must work from the bottom up.
                We start from where we live.
                We take charge of our own city/town/village and we show the world what is possible.
                For instance, here in NYC, about 72% of eligible voters don't vote in the NYC Mayoral election. And at least 2/3 of them are progressive.
                5 million New Yorkers are eligible to vote.
                Only 1 million usually vote (20% of eligible voters).
                The mayorship is usually won with less than 800,000 votes.
                We start by creating a Majority Voting Bloc.
                This means that all we have to do is to inspire just 1 million individuals from the 4 million to vote together for the candidates who are best for the People. This Voting Bloc will enable us to win the Mayorship and the City Council and members of the House.
                Then we will be able to repeal laws that do not serve the People and enact laws that do.
                Then we will be in a better position to finally implement the gazillion wonderful creative solutions we already have without impediment.
                Other cities/towns/villages of the world will be inspired to do the same.
                In time, we will be in a position to win the Governorships, the State Senate and the State Assembly. Then later the US Senate and the Presidency.
                Then from there we can more easily usher in a Whole New Way of Living rooted in True Love and Wisdom.
                i am turning around and mentoring on average about 10 new uninformed/misinformed people every week.
                It is imperative that each and every one of us, without exception, does the same.
                A Bug's Life - ''Then they ALL might stand up to us'': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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                  you have passed the nine circles of hell in your western education. you do not have to spell right to speak the truth. In fact deceivers speak relatively well but any classic westerner grounded in the priceless knowledge of the west knows of shadow of truths and half truths
                  (language is a abstract system that bridges to true systems e.g. math). You have to ask the right questions. it is akin to the relationship of kant and the deceptive language of Hegel. The orgin of truth is in the blank pallet of the mind, the mystical intersecting yoke of waves of energy collapsing into into probability of a chess player using prescience to guess an outcome. I call it a fluid mosaic model adding the function of time to see us grow organically as cells dividing fractal.The primordial western dark subconsciousness vs. truth light of western culture. It is archetypal battle between good and evil




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                      Jacob, I suggest they rarely are aware of a viable solution. The are in essence political gadflies. Full of facts about atrocities, know nothing about how to succeed. Ralph Nader was the first I saw with this tendencies.




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                          I sense a disturbance in the force almost as if a shadow has sprung up.




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                              yes, another particularly appropriate conditioned response




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                                  You understand that every billionaire who supports the reduction of social programs and education, and the growth of "defense" programs, is at fault. Since there are 492 in the USA alone, only a few who disagree with information collection, and fewer who might disagree with privatisation, would be easier to list, IF we knew who they were, IF there are any at all.
                                  Over 300 went to the Koch Bros thing in Dana Point, and if you lust to learn names , you can just visit information on that gathering to find 300 of those who push feudalism.
                                  As Chomsky said, wage slavery is slavery. Get that straight - that THOSE SLAVES WORK WILLINGLY FOR THOSE WHO CREATE THE OLIGARCHY. So you must add EVERYONE who works for wages to your list. All the whining about social injustice by anyone who shops at WalMart or such places, is equal to lying politicians.
                                  As those very unhappy people who work for the oligarchs become more unhappy, perhaps they will become as violent as those who support them. Such a civil war seems somewhere in the offing, once the ridiculous focus of the USA on Southwest Asia ends.
                                  Who will suffer? Not the short list of wealthy or their politicians. Those who grasp at life under their heel, and those who grasp for a life free of their control, although pretty much the same - lower class, calling themselves middle class - it is they who will suffer, THEY who will kill one another, just as always in war. The privileged will grow on to become warhog senators, or warhog industrial management.
                                  Other innocents will be raped, starved, their lives made into suffering by those who pretend that they choose sides, but in reality, just want to replace one name with their own. Since so few can be lord, boss, CEO, prez, most will convince themselves that it is somehow courageous to extend war, killing, suffering forever, violently desperately trying to perpetrate suffering while avoiding it themselves, claiming they are patriots or some such vile label.
                                  You say you want their names, those whose fault it is. What will you do with them? strip them of wealth? assassinate? You are fools.
                                  All you need to know is whether you want to live in the slave/stratified society. Then either make your decision to cease supporting it, or grovel for your worshipped leaders.

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                                      Very hard not to shop at Walmart when you live in a small city and are broke. They want people broke. That is the only way to go back and shop at such a staid place. There is no enjoyment shopping there. It is a necessity.




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                                    Remember even the house of Pericles became corrupt.




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                                      hey are demagogues in a global game of risk and are the oracles of delphi.




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                                          usa....By golly you have the page why don't you drop all the names for us. Be sure you have the credible proof to save yourself from a law suit. And by the way. Why do we need names? We step outside the political model and form 'community cooperative models' and create rules where whomever they are can't operate. I love the critics that have no solutions themselves.




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                                              We have the capability of providing food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare, to the most excellent degree, for each and every man, woman and child on the face of the earth, and to do it in such a way that was in Harmony with Nature rather than against Nature. We already have a gazillion creative solutions.
                                              Here is a rough draft of my proposal. Please feel free to critique it and tear it apart if you must. Let us learn together and come up with a step-by-step outline of how we go from the current state of affairs to a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom.
                                              At the moment, the Presidency is pretty much out of reach.
                                              The system is rigged and at this level it is difficult to overcome.
                                              We need to change the laws.
                                              We must work from the bottom up.
                                              We start from where we live.
                                              We take charge of our own city/town/village and we show the world what is possible.
                                              For instance, here in NYC, about 72% of eligible voters don't vote in the NYC Mayoral election. And at least 2/3 of them are progressive.
                                              5 million New Yorkers are eligible to vote.
                                              Only 1 million usually vote (20% of eligible voters).
                                              The mayorship is usually won with less than 800,000 votes.
                                              We start by creating a Majority Voting Bloc.
                                              This means that all we have to do is to inspire just 1 million individuals from the 4 million to vote together for the candidates who are best for the People. This Voting Bloc will enable us to win the Mayorship and the City Council and members of the House.
                                              Then we will be able to repeal laws that do not serve the People and enact laws that do.
                                              Then we will be in a better position to finally implement the gazillion wonderful creative solutions we already have without impediment.
                                              Other cities/towns/villages of the world will be inspired to do the same.
                                              In time, we will be in a position to win the Governorships, the State Senate and the State Assembly. Then later the US Senate and the Presidency.
                                              Then from there we can more easily usher in a Whole New Way of Living rooted in True Love and Wisdom.
                                              i am turning around and mentoring on average about 10 new uninformed/misinformed people every week.
                                              It is imperative that each and every one of us, without exception, does the same.
                                              A Bug's Life - ''Then they ALL might stand up to us'': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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                                                  And what will you do when the the plutocratic families, the corporate oligarchs and the international banksters use cointelpro tactics and send in the police? What will you do when they use the mainstream media, the legal system and the financial system to neutralize your good work as they have done so many times before throughout history?




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                                                      usa....Your remark about NYC being '...at least 2/3 progressive...' is ridiculous out of your so called stats with no reference given. And what does 'progressive' mean to you anyway? Anyone not on the far right?




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                                                        usa...and what does all of your discourse have to do with your criticism of Noam Chomsky not dropping names? CommunityRightsPDX. org.




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                                                            Then please present his well-thought-out viable step-by-step plans of action with strategies and tactics that each and every one of us must take if we are to get to a place where it will be easier to usher in a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom.




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                                                          It's in the narrative. Read it.




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                                                          ALL VERY TRUE.




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                                                              The exploitocracy is devoted to the eradication of two saliently subversive impulses
                                                              To think for yourself
                                                              And act for others




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                                                                The good professor and his wife had absolutely no problem living on a kibbutz in "Israel"--the Squatter State occupying land that belongs to the Palestinians.




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                                                                    usa......Many young USA Jewish people did this up at least until through the 80s. Many were going to college in Israel on an exchange program for a year. Many were pre or post college trying to learn their Jewish Culture. This was long before mainstream Jews or Christians had any idea what the fascist regime was doing. I had a young Jewish friend who did this and actually came home with very little respect for the regime.
                                                                    Your remark is immature and very very outdated. Mr. Chomsky is one of the greatest intellectuals and thinkers in the world and this is all you can pull off? Shameful.




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                                                                        It must have had an effect on him. He's been very generous in his criticism of the Israeli regime. Particularly in regard to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and their (Israel's) sabotaging of the peace talks.




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                                                                          The working sheep are to blame for the demise of Occupy! If you had all stopped working for a week, the .01% would start listening. That was the power of Unions. Wake up sheep and smell your cheap starbucks coffee grinds!
                                                                          BDS!israelNOW!




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                                                                              Any jew willing to go against the grain is a hero in my eyes! Chomsky throws out the puzzle pieces, but it's up to the sheep to take it and run! It's easy for everybody to sit around and judge the messengers. What are you doing to find where the pieces go? BDS!israelNOW!




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                                                                                  Maybe the Elites are all aliens sent to mine the world for resources, but instead of going to war and conquering humanity which even for a advanced alien species would take a large amount of resources they just take our form and subvert our politics. I mean what other explanation can there be for these people lack of humanity, they are not human.




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                                                                                      Something nasty happening...within the past hour, I attempted to watch this interview, but was redirected to it on YouTube...where there are several comments posted regarding an article in The New Republic branding Hedges a plagiarist.
                                                                                      I read the article, and find the accusations hard to take very seriously...however, I believe a primary reason for what appears to be the attempt to smear Hedges is his very vocal and persistent support for Palestinian justice, which Chomsky is also perhaps even more vocal...and which is anathema in the pages of TNR.
                                                                                      So, be aware...those commenters, very adamant, will probably be showing up here.




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                                                                                          its all western madness




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                                                                                              I wouldn't call filth like Kinsley liberal by any stretch of the definition. They're fascists through and through, and we need to be willing to define what a liberal or a progressive or a socialist is, define who is not, and identify by actions, rather than only words.




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                                                                                                  Chomsky is full of facts about wrong doing, but nary a word about what would succeed. He is the epitome of a political gadfly: always going on with what is wrong, never telling us what is right. But undoubtably more and more miserable the more he does this.
                                                                                                  Every person intrinsically knows that she can be nourished in every activity she does. But only after pursuing a long time and much trial and error. Nourished being the experience that what just unfolded in the activity you just did was as good as it gets, gave you a sense of satiety. So in every activity, you either do it in a way that you are not nourished, or do it in a way you are nourished. And nothing the government does has any bearing on this. So it is good to have a good government, But the idea that bad governments can stop people from learning how to be nourished is sheer nonsense.
                                                                                                  By the way, any time you an activity and note something is missing, that is the universe telling you were not nourished by your involvement in that activity. And you have to make major changes in your approach to that activity to become nourished when you do it.
                                                                                                  And incidentally, no one who pursues authentic nourishment ever gets fooled by government propaganda.




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                                                                                                      particularly appropriate conditioned response




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                                                                                                          Chomsky has made a similar criticism of himself. He's said words to the effect - He's good at recognizing what's wrong, but the few times he's tried prescribing solutions - things didn't turn out so well.




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                                                                                                              The problem with this approach useless, is that almost every time what is presented as wrong is just a symptom of the real deeper problem. Besides every human knows that talking about wrong never leads to success. And success only comes from hard work, with lots of adjustments over time. So if he admits to doing this, he is admitting to posturing for fame and fortune; he sure as heck can't claim he promoting a viable solution.




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                                                                                                                  It's a little hard for me to see how Chomsky could have foreseen, taking the positions he's adopted would lead to him becoming famous. He had a much more lucrative career as a linguist, and in the field of cognition. Branching out to cultural criticism and criticism of government and its policies sounds far too risky (to me) as a means to fame and acclaim.
                                                                                                                  And i don't think Chomsky the work Chomsky has put into trying to root out the underlying causes contributing to the ills he has identified has been insignificant. I don't agree with your dismissal of his criticisms - Unless the "wrongs" are analyzed they will likely be repeated. And they will likely be repeated with all the vigor and which you attribute to leading to success. The 'adjustments' to which you refer are a result of recognizing error, and analyzing it.




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                                                                                                                usa.....Great there is script because Professor Chomsky is difficult to hear. I enjoyed the interview very much. I am looking forward to the next two.




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                                                                                                                    it is all so obvious but I haven't seen it for 70 years.




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                                                                                                                        thank you, history is repeating itself as swollen shores reseed to bring another season of sowing seeds and massive herd of animals once fed us have now disappeared by an idea a group of immoral men once devised to kill all the meat so the people would be subordinate to immorality and is repeating once again like Dante s allegory of circles of hell.