Friday, 1 May 2015
BACK TO OURLAND IRELAND
THE LAND LEAGUE PROPOSAL:
A STATEMENT FOR HONEST AND
THOUGHTFUL MEN.
BY
MICHAEL DAVITT.
Address delivered in the Free Trade Hall, Manchester, on
21st May, 1882.
The duties of a Chairman upon occasions like this are ordinarily of a trivial character. To introduce the lecturer, preserve order, and submit to the penalty of a vote of thanks for not occupying too much of the attention of the audience, is generally the routine of a Chairman's duty. I would, however, be underrating the importance of this vast meeting, and neglecting a duty which I
owe to the interests of justice and to the cause of peace, if, in face of the present crisis, I should hesitate to inflict m3'self upon your attention for a longer period than is convenient to myself or perhaps agreeable to you. To my friend, Mr George, I feel certain I need not apologise for trespassing upon his time and subject, and I am in hopes that my motives in dealing with the various intensified phases of the present situation will be appreciated by yon to the extension of an indulgent hearing. The change that has come over public opinion upon the subject of Land Reform during my incarceration in Portland is so vast in its import to the cause with which I am identified that I am, I hope, pardonably anxious to justify the movement by the aid of which such a revolution in the popular mind of these countries has been effected. (Cheers.) Three years ago, when the cry of the " Land for the people " went up from a meeting in the west of Ireland, it was received with astonishment by our own countrymen, and branded at once as communistic and wicked in England. Yet an organisation for effecting the nationalisation of the land of this country is now numbered ameng its political forces, and has at its head such enlightened minds as Drs Russell Wallace and Clark. (Cheers.)
Peasant proprietary was ridiculed as ruinous and impossible by the late Lord Beaconsfield. (Hisses.) No, no; I must say I don't approve of that. (Cheers.) I never carry resentment into the tomb. (Cheers.) He was our enemy while alive, but we must be just to his memory — (cheers) — and when we sho\v man- kind that we have learned the lesson of knowing how to be just,
we shall prove that we deserve to be free. (Cheers.) He pro- pounded his famous theory that three profits must necessarily be recognised in the agriculture of England, those of the landlord, the farmer, and the labourer ; yet scarcely has his cloak of leader- ship fallen upon Lord Salisbury than the landlord's profit is recognised as an evil in the rural economy of Ireland, and peasant proprietary finds a lodgement in the legislative programme of the
English House of Lords. Those who bejieved with myself that peasant proprietary, immensely preferable though it be to landlord- ism, would not meet to the full the final solution of the Irish social problem, were two short years ago put down as Utopian dreamers, yet one of the most respected Bishops of Ireland has since pro- claimed that " the land of every country is the common property of the people of that countr}^ — (cheers) — because its real Owner — the Creator who made it — has transferred it as a voluntary gift to them. Terrain autem dcdit filiis hominum. (The earth He hath given to the children of men.) Now, as every individual, in every country,is a creature and a child of God, and as all His creatures are equal in His sight, any setdement of the land of this or any other country that would exclude the humblest man in this or that country from his share of the common inheritance, would not only be an injustice and a wrong to that man, but would, moreover, be an impious resistance to the benevolent intentions of his Creator." (Loud cheers.)
All these vast strides, taken in conjunction with Mr Gladstone's legislation of the past and present year, ought to show, to every observing mind, that a movement from which such progress in economic thought has mainly sprung should not be lightly treated or hastily condemned because a storm of angry passions, inseparable from human struggles, has swept over an unfortunate
country as a cotemporary phenomenon. (Cheers.) If movements for tl^e social and political amelioration of a people are to be held responsible for the crimes that are incidental, not to them, but to the wrongs which they strive to abolish, liberty itself would be a blood-stained monster, and the cause of societary progress be a criminal pursuit. No one laments the murders and outrages that
have taken place in Ireland recently more than I do — (hear, hear) —and no one will be found more ready or earnest to prevent them in future ; but to charge their perpetration upon the Land League movement, as most English papers are doing, is as blindly unjust as to bring home to the French Rcx^ormers of 1709 the atrocities of the Reign of Terror, and fasten upon the memory of Mirabeau the sanguinary appetite of a INIarat. (Cheers.)
Knowing that if a fair hearing could be obtained in England for a reformer it would be granted in Manchester^-(cheers) — the birthplace of English reform, I have come to plead the cause of the Land League upon ground that is hallowed by the blood of Englishmen — (cheers) — spilled in the cause of justice and pro- gress. (Cheers.) My object will be to show that to a tardy re-
cognition of principles by English statesmanship, and an indiffer- ence towards, or hostility to, the just demands of the people of Ireland on the part of English popular feeling, are to be attributed the excesses that follow fromjustice long delayed, and crynng evils allowed to pander to the dictates of unreasoning passion. Every one who is acquainted with the political career of John Bright — (some hisses) — and who has read the speeches of other
English Liberal leaders, is familiar with the tone of scornful up- braiding with v/hich, not they alone, but all the organs of the Liberal party, have assailed the Tories for their persistent opposition to all the great English reforms that have been carried from 1832 dovv'n to the Ballot Act of 1874. English Conservatism has been over and over again charged with initiating nothing for the national weal, and taunted with having obstructed all popular measures until success had placed them among the statutes of the realm. This hostility of the Tories towards the extension of popular privileges, as defined by their political rivals, is exactly similar to that of the people of England towards movements and measures in behalf of popular rights in Ireland. Neither
English statesmen nor English public opinion ever trouble them- selves to think of, propose, or initiate any legislative remedy for the wants and grievances that affect the wellbeing and con- tentment of the people of Ireland, but take up, as a general rule, towards such remedies as Irishmen propose and Irish public opinion endorses, the same antagonistic stand as that which is so loudly condemned when assumed by one English party towards
the plans and proposals of ihe other. Thus every single Irish proposal for measures essential to our country's needs has to encounter two hostile Conservative forces ere it can hope for lodgement within the domain of practical politics — namely, the hereditary or aristocratic in Great Britain and Ireland, and the ignorant or prejudiced on the part of the popular mind of Eng- land. (Hear, hear.) Hence not a single remedial Act passed, or remnant of penal laws removed, from the passage of the Act of Union until the Arrears Bill now before the House of Commons, but has had to be forced down the throat of English public opmion and Parliament by the intensity of Irish agitation. (Cheers.) "Phe parallel, however, between the hostility of English Tory-ism towards popular rights in this country and that of English popular feeling against the recognition of identical principles in Ireland, would only be complete if the Conservative party had had the power to have suspended the Habeas Corpus Act prepara- tory to the concession of some remedy for English discontent, and had likewise imprisoned such of the Liberal leaders as were chiefly instrumental in forcing such remedy upon reluctant legis-lation. (Laughter and cheers.)
The question I would like to ask of Englishmen, who are now compelled to study the problem of Ireland's pacification, is a simple and practical one. Is landlordism worth what its support is costing England — ("no")- -and the troubles and misery which it is entailing upon Ireland? ("No," and cheers.) No rational mind acquainted with the treasure of blood and money that has been wasted in defending it against the assaults of its victims would hesitate a single moment for a reply to this simple question. The only grounds upon which anything like a reasonable defence of this anti-Irish and irrational system can be based are that it is English, that it has always been deemed essential to the mainten- ance of England's power in Ireland, and that those whose inter- ests would be affected by its abolition are the portion of the
population of Ireland that is known to be the most loyal to the
authority of England. Surely these reasons ought not to out- weigh those which can be advanced by Irishmen, and which are supported by unprejudiced English thought upon the other side. That the Irish land code is of English origin is true; but does this fact necessarily constitute it a good code, or one suited to the genius, customs, and wants of the Irish people? (Hear, hear.)
These land laws are notoriously unsuited to the requirements of a progressive age, and have consequently been, in a great measure, swept away in every civilised country outside of Great Britain and Ireland. But had not this been the case, and were they still capa- ble of being pointed to as suiting the feelings and social condition of one or more civilised nations, this would be no argument foi their continuance in Ireland in face of their career of disastrous
faihure in that country, and in opposition to the interests and will
of the Irish people. (Loud cheers.) The assertion that landlordism is essential to the supremacy of English authority in Ireland, that it constitutes "the garrison" by which the country is held in subjection, is one of those popular
English fallacies which only needs to be examined in order to be thoroughly exploded. Its origin is easily traceable to those who find security from the consequences of their treatment of the peasantry of Ireland in proportion to the extent of credit that it obtains in the English mind. If the landlords of Ireland were the only moral or physical power for the upholding of England's
authority in that country, about how long could our people be kept in subjection to their rule ? Not for a single day — (cheers^ — and as it is well known that an army of 30.000 troops and a mili- tary po]ice force of over 12,000 men are deemed necessary to defend the property of the landlords, it would be a waste of words to refute the assertion that Irish landlordism is the safeguard of England's supremacy in Ireland. (Cheers.)
Of all the institutions or laws bearing an English complexion in Ireland, and making a part of the machinery by which it is governed, landlordism presents the weakest points of attack, has always been, and must always continue to be, the most obnoxious factor of English rule, and would alone, in the absence of ever)' other exasperating agency, keep the country in an unsettled state,
fan the flame of social discontent, and inspire a national senti- ment of disaffection towards the power that could sustain such a notoriously ruinous system. Instead of being England's strong- hold, it is just the reverse, as it renders the name and authority of English government responsible for all the injuries which it inflicts upon the country, and necessarily involves in the infamy of its acts the name of that power whose instruments are essential
to their perpetration. (Cheers.) The next argument that is adduced to sanction the support given by Englishmen to Irish landlordism is calculated to appeal
even more strongly to popular feeling in this country than that just mentioned, as it is made to represent a loyal section of the population of Ireland as occupying an isolated situation in the midst of a disloyal majority, and in need of a protection which would not be required but for such loyalty. This is one of the tnunp cards of the Irish landlords, and has always been played in a most effective manner by them. But is it a true or honest ar- gument ? It is quite true that they constitute what is kno^^^l as the loyal section of the Irish people, because they hold the land that was formerly the property of the Irish nation. (Cheers.) They could not be otherwise than loyal and grateful towards the power that guarantees them in its possession, and places in their unscru- pulous hands as well the entire government of the countrj' and the administration of the law — (hear, hear)— but would their boasted loyalty stand the test of a Government confiscation such as those by which the land was stolen from the people in the reigns of EHzabeth, James, and Cromwell ? (Cries of " No.") They are loyal because it is their interest to be so (cheers) — and they know as well as their persecuted tenantry could tell them that the laws by which they have succeeded in reducing Ireland to beggary and chronic discontent are detested, not because those in whose interests they are maintained are loyal to England, but from the fact of their being the root of every social evil under which the country is groaning, and the chief source of the poverty and misery that burden the lives* of our people. (Cheers.)
Let me ask fair-minded Englishmen whether the selfish loyalty of a class is a justification for upholding a system which con- stantly invites twenty times its number to be discontented? (Cries of "No.") Can a.boasted attachment to English rule be construed into a privilege of pauperising an Irish nation? (Never.) Let England by all means sustain what is just and wise to defend
in the interests of her Irish ultra-loyalists, but let not Englishmen endeavour to perpetuate by all the influence and power of the empire an antiquated and obnoxious land code that stands forth to-day before the world with a record of centuries of failure un- equalled by any institution that has ever fallen before the attacks of progress and enlightenment. (Cheers.) Such a policy is as unjust to the social well-being of the country as it is impoUtic and ruinous to the popularity of English government, and should never be persisted in by a nation that claims to rule its dependencies in accordance with popular principles and in the spirit of consti- tutional law. A persistency in adhering to laws or institutions that are associated with certain phases of English conquest, but
which time and the march of ideas prove not only to be no longer suited to societary wants, but a positive evil in a progressive age, has been the source of not a few calamities to the cause of the British empire, involving the prestige and name of England in more than one defeat and disgrace. If bHnd Conservative stub- bornness will continue to disregard the consequences that have invariably followed from unbending opposition to the just and popular demands of a people, the continuance of Irish landlord- ism by English statesmen may prove a more costly blunder on this side of the Atlantic than did the imposition of unpopular taxes a century ago upon the then British colonies on the other side. (Prolonged cheers.)
Considered from a purely political point of view, Irish land- lordism is, perhaps, a greater failure than in any other respect. If its baneful influence upon the social economy of Ireland has been marked with general ruin to that country, its effects upon the attitude of the Irish people towards English law and supremacy — the support of which was contemplated as the chief end of land- lordism when introduced into Ireland — have been scarcely less emphatic in their results. A system that is made to supplant another belonging to a subjugated people must possess two qualities that are essential to the permanency of all institutions substituted for those that are abrogated by a domi,nant power. It must equal or surpass in utility or popularity that with which the people upon whom it is imposed were familiar ; or it must possess sufficient inherent force to command that respect or attachment which its
shortcomings or unpopularity would fail to elicit. Wanting in thequality of intrinsic merit or favourable comparison with a super- seded system in the estimation of those whose interests are at stake, the new code must necessarily be defective ; deficient as well in the power to enforce its behests, It becomes a complete Tried by these tests, how does Irish landlordism stand
as a political institution ? Instead of reconciling the people of Ireland to the loss of the national syste*n which obtained among them for centuries previous to the English invasion, or winning them over to a willing acceptance of the new law, and to a sub- mission to the power that upheld it, landlordism has had to sus- tain itself by every weapon of despotic power against an Incessant
agrarian war from Its very inception in Ireland until the present hour(Cheers.) Never has landlordism succeeded In obtaining a moral recognition from the Irish people. (Cries of *' It never will," and cheers.) Not for a single day has the Irishman ceased to look upon the landlord as a social enemy, or the law by which he was compelled to part with most of his earnings In the shape of rent, but as the detested instrument by which himself and family are impoverished and his country ruined. Illustration or evidence is unnecessary to sustain these assertions, as they are patent to all who have given the most cursoiy study to the Irish Land question, and stand uncontradicted by every English writer
who has brought an impartial criticism to its investigation. As for the force by which Irish landlordism might retrieve its moral debasement in the opinions of our people, I have already shown, what is patent to all the world, that this politico-social system needs the constant guardianship of 12,000 mUitary police and an army of over 30,000 soldiers to protect its very existence, and
without the aid of which external power, as has been truly re-
marked by an English writer, ''the property of the landlords of Ireland would not be worth a month's purchase."
I have endeavoured, in the foregoing remarks, to place this question of the abolition of Irish landlordism before the English people, not from a purely Irish point of view or upon grounds of abstract justice, but in the light of a reform involving serious English interests — proving that such interests are endangered in- finitely more by the upholding of Irish landlordism than they could possibly be by its abolition. It is for Englishmen to make up their mind what course to pursue in furtherance of their own political interests. The people of Ireland have fully made up theirs— (loud cheers) — as to what is their just demand, and what the sentence rhat must be passed upon Irish landlordism. (Renewed cheers.) Mr Gladstone's — (hisses and cheers) — I know there is a great deal, or rather it is considered by some that there is a great deal, in a hiss, but I for one never practise what I think is reprehensible — to hiss or attack a man not present to defend himself— (" hear, hear," and cheers) — Mr Gladstone's — (renewed cheers) — temporary expedient of fixing rent, backed by the undisguised despotism with which he means to combat Irish Land reformers, may satisfy some and frighten other Irish- men from further efforts to effect a complete settlement of the Irish social problem ; but he deceives himself egregiously — (hear, hear) — if he believes that the Land League movement is about to efface itself all the world over because he has been converted to Mr Parn ell's views upon the Arrears question — (prolonged cheers) — and accepted the services of a Mr O'Shea in effecting the treaty of Kilmainham. (Laughter.) I think it well to just remind the jubilant Whigs who believe they have captured the whole Irish party through the diplomacy of a political go-between from Clare — (renewed laughter) — that the Land League movement was organised to effect the complete abolition of Irish landlordism —(cheers) — and that until that work is fully and completely accom- plished there can be no alliance between the people of Ireland and the Whig party in this country. (Cheers). Mr Gladstone wants Ireland to give a trial to his second attempt to settle the Irish Land question. The people of Ireland will refuse to give any further trial to Irish landlordism. (Cheers.) Instead of having grappled with this festering social cancer in a courageous and effective manner, which his previous failure to cure the evil would reasonably warrant, he has proceeded upon the lines of his former mistake, and produced another experimental measure by which landlord and tenant, instead of being legally divorced, are both turned over into the hands of the lawyers, the country invited to place all its prospects of peace and prosperity in universal litiga-tion, while the tenant farmers are asked to see their interests pro-tected, and their happiness insured, in the existence of a Land Court composed of lawyers and Irish land agents. The spider inviting the fly into his net — (laughter and cheers)— is only equalled in seductive disinterestedness by INIr Gladstone intro-ducing the Irish tenant farmers into a mixed gang of Irish " con-
servators of ancient barbarism " and Irish agents in order to be protected ! (Laughter.) Even this much of legislation, small as it is, could not be given to Ireland without being spiced with the customary vindictiveness by which Irishmen are deprived of their liberty and their country flooded with troops, because the Whigparty has been put to the inconvenience of attempting something for Ireland. Those whose complete vindication from the charges of their enemies is established by an enactment in the direction of the remedy which they called upon the people of Ireland to demand, are, nevertheless, flung into prison to gratify the vengeance of the Irish landlords ; yet Englishmen marvel why there is disrespec for law and order in Ireland. English statesm.en and the instru-ments of alien rule in that country have never failed in showingour people a way in which to violate their own laws, and it appears supremely ridiculous to find fault with and punish ourpeople for profiting by the example of their rulers. (Cheers.)
It has ever been, and is still, the fate of English Ministersnever to know how tp remedy any of our admitted wrongs bywhat are termed " instalments of justice " in a politic or con-ciliatory manner. Our people must be driven either to open attempts at rebellion, or Ireland be plunged into a ferment of political agitation, ere British statesmanship will admit that such wrongs, or the questions that embrace them, come within the domain of practical politics. But that is not all. Before these recognised grievances can be partially or wholly redressed, or a modicum of justice conceded, the Habeas Corpus Act must be suspended in order that Dublin Castle may be propitiated by an equivalent instalment of political vengeance. Thus the credit which could be gained from a not ungrateful people by a judicious treatment of the social and political wants of our country is lost to England through the vindictive spirit by which her concessions are accompanied to a sensitive and impulsive nation. The con- cession upon the Arrears question is now offered side by side with a bill purporting to be aimed at secret societies and for the pre- vention of crime — (loud hisses) — but in reahty intended to arrest the further pubUc action of the people of Ireland towards the abolition of landlordism. Here, in the face of the most pro- pitious hour that has presented itself to English statesmanship during the past eighty years for an effective settlement of the Irish difficulty, the fatal dual policy of the past is again resorted to, and outrage upon liberty, personal and political, is flung like a brand into Ireland, to excite again the angry passions which lead to lawlessness and crime. I am confident that if the healthy feeling of horror which was created throughout Ireland by the Phoenix Park tragedy was permitted to have its full effect upon the popular mind of the country, assassination would have been assassinated in Ireland by the melancholy event of the 6th of May. Now the country will see the use that Mr Gladstone is about to make of that event. (A voice : " No.'') The Land League movement is to be crushed. (Cries of '' Never," and cheers.) Every barrier that could stand between the people and landlord vengeance is to be removed in order that no polidcal action in Ireland shall interfere with the subtle policy of the Whig Government in support of a doomed system. What will be the consequence ? The people of Ireland can never place con- fidence in any English Government — (hear, hear) — that places the administration of its laws in the hands of Dublin Castle —(hear, hear) — that depot of centralised despotism — (loud cheers)—without a parallel in the history of constitutional government.Those in whom they have reposed confidence, to whom they look for guidance and support, are menaced with gagging laws, the very discussion of which in the English House of Commons has brought shame to the face of thousands of Englishmen. What will be the consequence? The field of Irish political strife will be left clear to the landlords, armed with unlimited power by Mr Gladstone, and the equally unlimited power of secret combination, freed from the antagonism and rivahy of an open movement. To which of these two powers will the victims ot Irish landlordism — those who know the implacable nature of land-lord vengeance so well — secretly incline? I will ansv/er this question in memorable words once uttered by John Bright:'• When law refuses its duty, when Government denies the right of a people, when competition is so fierce for the little land which the monopolists grant to cultivation in Ireland, when, in fact, for a bare potato millions are scrambling, these people are driven back from law and the usages of civilisation to that which is termed the law of nature, and if not the strongest, the law of the vindictive ; and in this case the people of Ireland believe, to my certain knowledge, that it is only by these acts ot vengeance,periodically committed, that they can hold in suspense the arm of the proprietor and the agent — (hear, hear) — who, in too many cases, if he dared, would exterminate them. At this moment there is a state of war in Ireland. Don't let us disguise it from ourselves.There is a war between landlord and tenant ; a war as fierce, as relentless, as though it were carried on by force of arms. There is a suspicion, too, between landlord and tenant, which is not known between any class of people in this country, and there is a hatred, too, which, I believe, under the present and past system, has been pursued in Ireland, which can never be healed or eradicated." These expressions of John Bright's, years ago, face to face with a similar state of affairs in Ireland as that which confronts us now, I bring forward to show to Mr Gladstone and the
English people what will be the consequences of this battle of vengeance that is going to commence between the landlords of Ireland and a great portion of the people of Ireland. In presence of this state of affairs in Ireland, vengeance is to be pitted against vengeance, the settlement of the agrarian war is to be left between the Clifford Lloyds— (loud hooting) — and the wild justice of revenge born of landlord oppression. I again ask, what will be the consequence ? Had Mr Gladstone been in the confidence of the secret powers with which he pretends alone to grapple he could not have more completely played into their hands.It is only when a people despair of justice at the hands of their rulers, and see their hereditary enemies unopposed by any protective movement, that occult agencies are looked upon with favour by such people, and that the sympathies of the injured areextended to those who avenge the wrongs that are inflicted in the name of law. There is no power at the disposal of Mr Gladstone, there is no method short of the extermination of the whole Irish race, that can grapple effectually with a secret movement when it is made to appear as the only protector of a wTonged and trampled people — (loud cheers) — and which confronts the mandates of unlimited despotism Tl'ith the weapon of retaliation.
If the Land League is to be prevented from succouring the evicted, if every channel of political eftbrt not favourable to Whig kgislation on the land question is to be closed up, then, indeed, will the whole situation be surrendered to the secret movement, and lex taltoiiis become the only refuge of despair. As the moral responsibility of the outrage epidemic of the past twelve months must, in my humble opinion, rest upon the Whig Administration for its coercive incitation to vengeance, so must the crimes that will follow additional coercion be placed at the same door. If jMr Gladstone is earnest in his eiforts to put down crime, let him go to the source of all agrarian outrage, and remove Irish land lordism from Ireland. (Cheers.) If he be determined to put down secret societies, let him remove from the government of Ireland what makes English rule detested and English law dis- trusted — let him sweep away Dublin Castle — (loud cheers) — and show that he can repose the same confidence in Ireland that has not been abused in Canada. (Cheers.) If be believes that peace will be restored in Ireland while landlords have power to evict ajid the Castle power to trample upon every political opponent and every vestige of liberty, he has read the history of the Anglo- Irish difficulty to no purpose. As well might the doctor dream of restoring to health and vigour a patient in whose sensitive flesh the instrument that made the ^vound lies unremoved. I believe the admirable temper and manly self-control that has distinguished almost the whole of this country during the past fortnight, in face of what might have provoked an outburst of unjust and ungenerous wrath, together with the wide-spread anxiety that peace should be restored to Ireland and crime extinguished by generous and just legislation, would sanction measures of justice and con- ciliation which the past would not contemplate, and which the future, if embittered by angry passions and violence, may refuse to consider. Has Mr Gladstone the courage to respond to this feeling among the unprejudiced of his countrymen, and to make an heroic concession to justice and right; or will he continue, as n the new Coercion Bill, to be guided by the poHcy of a Forster — (loud hisses) — and the tactics of political adversaries ? It would be vain for me to think that he would be guided in his actions by a man like myself. But humble and obscure though my origin and position may be — (prolonged cheers) — the son of an Irish peasant — (cheers) — who was reftised shelter in an Irish workhouse by Irish landlordism ; the son of an Irish mother who had to beg through the streets of England for bread for me — humble as that origin may be, the memory of that mother has made me swear that so long as I have tongue to speak, or head to plan, or hand to dare for Ireland — (cheers, during which a great part of the audience rose and applauded vociferously) — Irish landlordism and English misgovernment in Ireland shall find in me a sleepless and incessant opponent. (Renewed cheers.) It is useless to think that Mr Gladstone would be influenced by my advice, but had my voice been listened to when I last emerged from the prison into \Yhich his Government thrust me in 1870 — (shame) — the sad history- of the past two years would never have to be written, and the Ireland of to-day might have been otherwise than a standing reproach to English government. I tell him now, that, although the Arrears Bill may land his Government over a temporary difficulty, the very next season of scarcity or partial famine that unpropitious seasons will bring upon Ireland, wdll re-open the Irish Land question, and call into play the same passions and provoke the same strife between conflicting interests that have brought the Land League into existence and forced the hands of unwilling legislation. If he persists in dealing only with the Irish social problem as intensified by the Land League agitation, instead of grappling with it as Irish Land reformers propose in connection with a train of retrospective ruin, present discontent, and the certainty of landlordism continuing to move in a circle or reproductive wrong, he will bequeath the settlement of the Irish Land war to the future, and leave the primary cause of Irish poverty, disaifection, crime, and misery to the country he is anxious should look to him as its friend.
Dark as is the present outlook for Ireland, I do not despair.(Hear, hear.) In a period of unexampled trial, the attitude of her people has been steadfast, courageous, and unbroken. The march of the social has dragged the setdement of the national question in its wake. If victory has not yet crowned the efforts of the Land League, we have called into existence the elements of proximate success. (Cheers.) From every prison in Ireland voices will go forth to teach the oft-repeated lesson that force is no remedy — (cheers) — against a cause which rest* for support and sanction upon the ordinances of God and the dictates of justice and reason. Every parish in Ireland will have one or more in its midst that has suffered in the cause of liberty and fatherland ; and from this outcrop of national sentiment, from men unjustly punished, women imprisoned — (shame) — and children indoctrinated in the creed of patriotism and social rights, will spring a generation before whose might no wrong can stand, and from whose birthland every vestige of social and political servitude must fall,as falls the withered leaves of autumn before the angry blasts of winter. (Cheers.) Ere concluding what I fear has been a too lengthy speech — (" No, no *') — I feel compelled to make a few observations upon a subject which, of all others that are discussed in connection with the present state of Ireland, is the most painful to dwell upo
The outrages that have been committed during the past year in Ireland, cuhiiinating in the assassinations of the 6th of May, 1882, liave placed the character of our country in a very odious light before public opinion throughout the world. The prejudice that has been thus excited against our cause will not permit of that calm and dispassionate inquiry which would trace to the primary source of all agrarian crime what our enemies have endeavoured to fasten upon a movement that has aimed at the removal of the one grand incentive to murder and revenge. It was in vain that over and over again it was pointed out that if the leaders of the people were deprived of liberty and evictions allowed to proceed, fierce passions would be evoked, and a spirit of evil unchained, throughout Ireland. The sanguinary record of the past twelve months is the sad fulfilment of these predictions. But who or what has suffered in consequence of such crimes? Apart from the obloquy which they are made to bring upon our country, they, and they alone, are responsible for the check that has been given to the Land League movement, and for the crisis with which we are now confronted. Granting all that can be said on the head of provocation — all that can be quoted to show that the balance of crime and outrage has ever been on the side of our oppressors in the past — when will we learn the lesson which common sense and prudence teach, that the one grand fatal error in all popular movements is to allow the promptings of individual passion to silence the warnings of moral sense and prudence in order to seek a selfish and criminal gratification, regardless of all consequences to a people's cause? (Hear, hear.) Are there not far nobler principles and more exalted and manly aspirations bequeathed to us from the past than those of hatred and revenge ? If the powers on high seem indifferent to interfere in the defence of right, shall the cause of justice be sullied by unholy vengeance ? If the one supreme danger that besets the path of this great movement be that of outrage, and the greatest obstacle in the way of success be the gratification of passionate resentment, why should not policy, prudence, morality, and religion stay the suicidal acts of those
who retaliate for the wrongs inflicted upon injured men ? If Irish landlordism finds its only support from public opinion in appearing to be the victim of a people's implacable vengeance, why should its life be prolonged by the excesses of its victims ? (Hear, hear. ) This may wear the appearance of preaching to the inherent weaknesses of human nature, a fruitless effort to stay those excesses of passion that are beyond the control of reason and religion, as their acts are unforseen and above the power of any Influence to arrest. But it is heart-rending to think that, were it not for the excesses of the past year, the cause of justice would by this time have triumphed, and Ireland would stand to-day in the position of a victor in her own cause and that of humanity also. (Cheers.) Had the promptings of revenge not frustrated the plans of the Land League, Irish landlordism could no more have withstood the forces that our plan of action had arrayed against it than could a rotten hulk, rigged with matchbox spars and tissue-paper sails, bear up against the fury of an equinoctial gale. (Cheers.)
As for the other class of outrages that have stained the record of our country during the same period, no language is sufficiently strong with which tp reprobate and condemn them. As in those above alluded to, comparison with similar classes of crime in this and other countries is of no avail to avert the stigma which their commission fixes upon our peasantry. As to the individuals who perpetrate these horrible brutalities, whether actuated by the incomprehensible motive that could prompt a tenant farmer to perform them, or by the worst design that would incite the degraded instruments of Irish landlordism to their perpetration for the purpose of bringing odium upon the cause of Irish Land Reform, no difference of opinion can exist in Ireland or England as to the punishment which such crimes deserve. The wretch who is capable of such monstrous barbarity towards a dumb and inoffensive beast, places himself beyond the pale of human sympathy, and merits being branded with some indelible mark of popular execration, that should point him out for ever to his fellow-man as infamous and detestable.
And now, one word more before I conclude. Amidst all the troubles of the present movement, and in face of the opprobrium that has been heaped upon Ireland by its enemies in this country there have not been wanting generous and justice-loving Englishmen who could brave the storm of popular prejudice in defence of the cause of the Land League and its leaders. (Cheers.) What Irishman's heart would refuse to beat with the warmest throbbings of gratitude at the name of honest Joe Cowen ? (Loud cheers.) Or who among us could read the declaration of Mr Storey — (cheers)— in the House of Commons, on Friday night, unmoved, when he
asserted that if twenty English Radicals had seats in that Assembly, the Coercion Bill of last year would never have been passed into law? (Cheers.) When the representative of England's artisan class also declares that the voice of the country is against further coercion for Ireland, and in favour of justice to our people's cause, can we not see that other Broadhursts — (cheers) — are In the background, and that the tide of popular English feeUng is turning in the direction of fearless and unprejudiced equity in the policy of ruling Ireland? (Cheers.) The stand taken during the excited temper of the past fortnight by the Pall Mall Gazette, and some few more English journals, to avert an outburst of unjust resentment against us in this country, is worthy of the highest praise for its enlightened and courageous advocacy of dispassionate justice replacing the hereditary policy of coercion for
Ireland. Should we not endeavour to multiply such advocates here in England ? It is easy of accomplishment. It needs no sacrifice of principle or national aspiration ; it calls for nothing but what it is our moral duty to perform, our best policy to pursue. Let outrage cease in Ireland — (cheers) — let no suspicion of sympathy on your part here in England be made to arise at any act, great or small, that seeks justification from past events in the history of our country, and rely upon it that the number of the Cowens, Storeys, Broadhursts, Taylors, Laboucheres — (cheers) —
Lawsons, Collings, and Thompsons, will multiply and lend to the cause of Ireland's social and political rights the cause of justice and humanity, the manly advocacy of fearless English minds, and the unstinted sympathy of generous English hearts. (Prolonged cheering.)
Address delivered in League Hall, St Anne Street, Liverpool,
on Tuesday, 28rd May, 1882.
That the discussion of the Irish question at so critical a stage as
that to which it is now advanced is fraught with responsibihty to
whoever undertakes the task on behalf of the Land League, few
will deny. When the Government is believed to be aiming at
the prevention of all public discussion in Ireland, and the leaders
of the National party are supposed to be at variance upon vital
questions of principle and pohcy, the elements of precaution cannot
be eliminated from the duty I am here to perform this evening.
Nevertheless, I am of opinion that the time and occasion are
opportune for an enunciation of what I believe to be the real
objects of this movement, and what I venture to say is asked for
and required by the whole Iiish race. (Cheers.) I venture to
assert that the entire Irish question is not, as a rule, judiciously
presented to public opinion by many who undertake to define its
true character outside of Ireland ; and it may also be said against
us that we have hitherto been wanting in practical statesmanship
by insisting upon heroic remedies for Ireland's social and political
wrongs, without pointing out, clearly and candidly, how those
remedies could be applied. We have left an impression upon the
public mind of this countrj^ that an ulterior object lies behind the
social refonn m.ovement which we have initiated. Doubts are ex-
pressed by even friendly Englishmen as to whether the Land League
is aiming at the abolition of landlordism or at something else. We
are charged with raising the cry of " The Land for the people,"
and not defining its meaning ; of demanding the expropriation of
the Irish landlords, and falling shy of the question of compensa-
tion. My efforts this evening shall be directed to the removal of
these doubts by presenting, as well as limited time and limited
ability will permit, the Irish question in its entirety, as well as the
solution which I believe the w^hole Irish race demand, and which
wise and practical English statesmanship can safely and with
credit to itself undertake to concede. (Cheers.)
Ere endeavouring to do this, I think it of the first importance
to give a bird's-eye view of the situation in Ireland, in order that
Englishmen may the better understand the motives which have
actuated the Land Leaguers, and more calmly discuss the means
whereby that situation can be changed with profit to Ireland and
safety to British interests.
That the disturbed state of pubHc order in Ireland during the
past two years is not due to accident, few Englishmen will deny;
that it is the logical outcome of short-sighted English statesman-
ship most public men in this country are now beginning to admit.
It will require very little reasoning to convince practical-minded
Englishmen that fires are not lit by spontaneous ignition, or great
movements started without a basis of solid justification. What
has been the general character of English rule in Ireland, looked
at from an impartial point of view ? That it has not been of a
nature to win the people of Ireland to an abandonment of Irish
institutions and aspirations, to the acceptance of those of their
rulers, seven centuries of a struggle proclaim and the present con-
dition of oiu: country confirms. (Hear, hear.) No power on earth
claiming to assert its authority over a people of another race can
justify a rule whereby all the motives that have the greatest influ-
ence over that people's existence are stupidly ignored or wan-
tonly trampled upon. (Cheers.) The motives which form the
distinctive characteristics of the Irish people are, and always have
been, enthusiastic devotion to their religious convictions, unflinch-
ing loyalty to the principle of nationality, and a passionate attach-
ment to the soil of their fatherland. Is not the history of England's
rule in Ireland a heart-breaking record of systematic oppression
upon each and all of these inherent principles of Irish character ?
It is only within the present generation that a full concession of
justice has been made to the first of the motives I have indicated,
and that the Irish people have been accorded religious liberty.
Was it an unjust concession? Has it been followed by conse-
quences that can cause Englishmen to regret having made it ?
This, however, is finally settled, and. Irish Catholics and Irish
Protestants are now upon equal footings of religious freedom ; and
I am sure that neither Irishmen nor Eif^lishmen will ever again
pit one faith against another for political motives. The two re-
maining principles of Irish national character are at this moment
contending against the very policy which denied Catholic emanci-
pation until 1829, and withheld religious equality from the Irish
people until our own days. Can these principles be stamped out?
Will such policy succeed? These are questions which I am
anxious to place before English public opinion at a time when, to
borrow an expression of Mr Gladstone's, the English mind "is
open " upon them.
Let us now see what are the grounds upon which these principles rest a claim for concessions of justice, and what are the
forces arrayed behind them for their vindication. That Ireland
has a just right to self-government no one can deny — (cheers) —
that our people are unanimous in demanding it is apparent from
Irish representative, opinion and the admissions of the public
press outside of Ireland. That self-government can be enjoyed
by English dependencies, consistent with the integrity of the
British Empire, an independent Irish Parliament ninety years ago,
and Canadian and Australian Legislatures existing at the present
hour, plainly demonstrate. (Hear.) That the Act of Union was an
infamous transaction and has proved a complete failure, English
modern history itself concedes. (Loud cheers.) That Dublin Castle
rule — (groans) — is one of the primary factors in the present dis-
content of Ireland, and has ever been a source of the keenest
exasperation to our people, is now beginning to be made rlear in
this country. Upon these grounds, which no one can deny to be
just ones, or can consistently refuse to discuss, we rest our claim
for political autonomy. (Great cheering. ) The grounds upon which
we claim a settlement of the Land question are, if possible, niore
just, more urgent and imperious, than those advanced in behalf of
the national question. That Irish landlordism has broken down
— that it is discredited and repudiated by our people more
thoroughly than any other system that has ever fallen before a
nation's resolve and the march of progressive ideas — the present
situation in Ireland declares in unmistakeable language. That it
has been a ruin and a curse to our people, no sane mind will gain-
say. (Hear, hear.) Three millions of a population driven from a
country in one generation — ("Shame") — from a land capable of
supporting more than twice its present population — the prevalence
of widespread poverty among the unexterminated remainder —
increasing disaffection among the masses, consequent upon ruin-
ous exactions and the exercise of social tyranny by the landlords
— a reign of terror and violence, giving birth to horrible crimes by
calling forth heated and vindictive passions — all threatening a
complete social disruption of the country, and all apparently, to
the Irish people, sanctioned by English public opinion, and
intensified by the blind and vindictive policy of one who had been
a popular English statesman ere he left Bradford for Dublin Castle —
(loud groans) — this is our justification for demanding the abolition
of landlordism and the substitution of a national system in its
place.
I shall now point out the forces that are arrayed behind these
two principles of social and political reform, in order that the
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expediency of dealing justly and promptly with them— as formerly
with that of religious equality — may be seen by practical English
minds. That there is a new spirit abroad in Ireland — intelligent,
resolute, and practical — has been borne testimony to everywhere.
(Loud cheers.) That such a spirit might by despair or by desperate
men be turntd into complete subversionary action, the history of
the French Revolution declares. It was not dreamy speculations
upon the origin of society which sent the frenzy of madness
through a people's mind. It was the squalor of the ragged
peasant in contrast with the luxury and effeminate splendour of
the privileged class ; the pallid faces and wasted forms of the
peasantry who prowled hungry and fever-stricken through the
land ; the hopeless, helpless degradation of the mass of the
French people spurned and ignored by the Government of the
day. This was the bitter writiiig that was traced in characters of
maddening portent which the multitude read with flaming eyes,
and sprang wildly to their feet to revenge and efface. (Cheers.)
That such a spirit should be driven to such deeds in Ireland,
God forbid — but that such a spirit is abroad, and can be arrested
by just and timely concession, I fearlessly proclaim here to-night.
(Cheers.) The force that can guide that spirit to safe and moral
action, that can shape its ends to beneficial work for Ireland, or
that, by letting it drift into headlong passion by simply abandon-
ing it to itself, would be then unable to restrain its excesses,
should be one that ought to command the careful consideration
of English public opinion. That force consists in the character
of the men who are now the leaders of the Irish people. From
Mr Parnell — (loud cheers) — downwards, they are nearly all young
men, with full tw^enty years of political life before them. If they
have succeeded in doing so much during the past three years, what
are they capable of accomplishing in the next twenty. (Loud cheers.)
They have given proof of abiHty, courage, self-devotion, and
energy, both outside and inside of Parliament, unparalleled in any
previous agitation or reform movement. They stand pledged to
the Irish people to work out the social and political regeneration
of their country, and I know them too well to believe that
calumny, coercion, or imprisonment will ever make them abandon
— (cheers) — what every rational mind must admit to be a just, a
moral, and a winning cause. (Loud cheers.)
This is something like an outline of the general situation upon
the Anglo-Irish difficulty at present; but there is a more particu-
lar or immediate aspect of it, which I will endeavour to bring
before Englishmen. Upon what is the English Parliament now
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engaged ? Ireland, almost exclusively — to the almost total neglect
of the general business of the empire. The Arrears Bill, while
being good in its way, and calculated to arrest crime and outrage
to some extent, is a most convincing argument that the Land Act
is a failure, and leaves the agrarian war almost where it has hitherto
been. In no part of Ireland is the Land Act considered so much
of a failure as in Ulster, where leaseholders and every other class
of tenants are burdened with rents that were fixed when prices
Avere high and competition from outside unthought of. In my
travels through the West and North, recently, I found everywhere
a want of confidence in the Land Courts, and heard from all classes
that the landlords, as in every other branch of Irish administra-
tion, had succeeded in turning these courts to their own purposes
in all but a few instances. (Hear, hear, and hisses.) While
travelling in the West of Galway I found a state of aftairs that have
recently been brought before the public by an English correspon-
dent. Evictions are taking place in hundreds, when, on the
admission of the authorities that carry them out, the household
belongings of 130 families were not worth a single pound all
together. I found that a rent of from 15s to ;^i per acre is de-
manded for patches of a stony mountain side, from which it is
impossible to extract sufficient food for a year for those who till
them. These rents and accumulated arrears are now demanded,
when almost every source from which they were paid in the past
have ceased to supply them — kelp-burning, fisheries, turf-seiling,
and remittances from friends in America and England. The soil
of Carroroe can no more produce rent than can oranges be made
to grow upon the Liverpool race-course — (laughter) — jet, in defi-
ance of all theories upon rent for land, people are evicted for the
non-payment of unjust and impossible rent.
But my object is not to dwell upon scenes of misery to-night.
I am anxious to point out how misery, discontent, and crime can
be banished from Ireland entirely ; and I will therefore proceed
with my bird's-eye view of the present situation. There is but
one more feature in that situation which I wish to dwell upon
before discussing the remedy for the Anglo-Irish difficulty, and it
is this : — Mr Gladstone, speaking in the House of Commons the
other night, proudly termed that assembly "The Temple of
Liberty."' From an English point of view, this may or may not
be a true name for England's Parliament ; but from an Irish point
of view, there can be no difference of opinion on that point at the
present hour. (Applause.) This '* Temple of Liberty " is asked
by the greatest of living statesmen to strike at every single prin-
ciple that constitutes liberty in any land or among any people.
(Hear, hear.) Trial by jury is called the palladium of liberty in
every constitutionally governed country as well as in England ;
yet Mr Gladstone is about to abolish trial by jury in Ireland lor
three years. (Groans.) The right of public meeting is one of
the most cherished privileges of a free people ; yet Mr Gladstone
is about to make public meeting in Ireland dependent upon the
will ©f a single English functionary. The liberty of the press is
prized by every civilised nation as the greatest safeguard of its
liberty ; yet Mr Gladstone is resolved upon gagging the Irish
press. (Groans) The inviolability of domestic privacy is one
of the proudest boasts of Englishmen ; yet Mr Gladstone is about
to empower an Irish policeman to intrude upon any Irishman's
home at any hour of the night he may please to consider it the
object of suspicion. (Cries of "Shame.") Verily, this ^'Temple
of Liberty " is at present occupied with anything but a creditable
or congenial task.
Having now defined the real nature of the situation, and look-
ing upon the present lull in the Land League movement as a tem-
porary cessation of hostilities during which a parley can be made,
I will endeavour to point out the way in which unprejudiced
minds on both sides of the Irish Sea can discuss the terms of
peace, and end the agrarian war in Ireland for ever. I am about
to undertake a task that should have been performed long ago —
that is, the definition of " The Land for the people," the charter-
cry of the Land League, and the bugbear of the landlords and
Conservative organs. (Cheers.) In doing this, I will lay myself
open to the suspicion of differing from Mr Parnell and most of
my colleagues in the Land League movement; but the fact is, there
is not a particle moreof ciifference of opinion between the member
for Cork and myself upon this question, than there was when we
first stood together upon a public platform in Westport, three years
ago. (Loud and prolonged cheering.) Mr Parnell advocates
peasant proprietary ; I am in favour of the land becoming the
national property of Ireland. If peasant proprietary is conceded,
either by Lord Salisbury, when he gets into power, or by Mr Glad-
stone ere he gets out — (hisses) — I am perfectly satisfied that
the purchase-money that must be advanced by the State for
carrying out such a scheme will become the title-deed of the State
to the land of Ireland, and that the nationalisation of the land
will be the consecjuence. Believing this to be inevitable from
the growing poverty of Irish agriculture, I am almost indifferent
as to whether Mr rarnell's plan or my own be adopted ; but as I
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was tlie first to raise the cry of " The Land for the people," I
think the time has now come for giving a clear definition of what
I mean and propose. (Applause.)
The following statistics will be given only as an r. oproximation
to the actual figures, because I have been compehed to borrow
them from my " J^il Journal,"' and I have not had time since my
release from prison to compare them with later official returns : —
Putting the average annual value of all the cereal produce of
Ireland at;^3o,ooo,ooo, and annual produce of live stock wealth
at say half the total return for any given year, we will have about
an equal sum of ;£"30,ooo,ooo. This will give, say, :^6o,ooo,ooo
as the total annual produce of the land of Ireland. Assuming
the present annual rental of the land to be ;^ 15,000,000, we have
thus one-fourth of the gross produce, or 25 per cent, of the annual
wealth of the country seized upon by the Irish landlords. Twenty
pounds out of every one hundred that is earned by the labour
and enterprise of our entire agricultural class is claimed by a small
number of persons who contribute nothing whatever to its produc-
tion, and who cap the climax of this annual confiscation by taking
most of this money out of the country which produced it, and spend
it to the benefit of other lands and peoples than ours. (Hisses.)
I maintain that rent for land that is cultivated by labour alone —
or by the joint agencies of capital and labour — independent of
li^dlord assistance, risk, or superintendence, is an unjust and in-
defensible tax upon a country's industry, that can be more truly
described as legal theft than by the conventional terms that desig-
nate it a tribute legally due to the prescriptive rights of an un-
justly privileged class. If the land became national pioi)erty — -
landlordism being abolished, and full Stat^ protection and eacour-
agement given to the produce of industry and capital — it would
be no exaggerated estimate to put do\^Ti the yearly value of cereal
wealth at double the present amount — that is, p£"6o, 000,000.
Adding to this the former estimate of yearly live stock wealth, we
would have a total of ;^ 90,000,000 annually from the land of
Ireland. Allowing 10 per cent, off this for diminution of prices,
consequent upon increased production, we would still have
;^ 2 0,000, 000 more wealth from the soil every year than we have
now under the existing state of things. (Hear, hear.) Instead of
charging this yearly cereal and live stock wealth with a 20 per
cent, rent to the landlords, it would only be taxed, under the
national land system, in proportion to the amount of money re-
quired for the civil government of the country — administration of
law, police, education, liospitals. poor-rate, w^tf^r-rales. or the
various public purposes for which special taxes are now levied upon
the country, and duties placed upon the food and comforts of the
people.
To see what such a tax would amount to ordinarily, and there-
by determine the difference between the rent now paid to the
landlord, and the land tax that would then have to be paid to the
State, it will be necessary to make an estimate of the probable
annual public expenditure of Ireland. We will put down the cost
of civil administration, including payment of police, at
/^4,ooo,ooo; education, ;£ 1,500,000; poor-rate, ;j^i,ooo,ooo;
total local rates, ;£" 2,000,000; borough and water-rates,^ 1,000,000
— giving in all a total of ;2^9, 500,000 annual outlay in carrying on
the national business of the country. In order to meet this yearly
public charge without levying a penny of it upon the non-agricul-
tural classes — that is, exempting all classes from both the direct
and indirect taxation that is now imposed for Imperial and local
government purposes — we should only have to abolish landlordism
and rent for land, and place such a tax upon all land values as
would meet the public expenditure, as just specified. (Hear,
hear.) Ten per cent, on the gross annual agricultural produce of
Ireland —or half what is now paid to the landlords in rent and
lost to the country — would, under the national land system, carry
on the civil government of Ireland, save the tenant farmer half
of what he now pays in rent, remove all the taxes that now fail
upon the mercantile, commercial, professional, and industrial
classes, and take off those duties from the commodities of daily
life that burden the lives of the artisan and labouring classes, and
deprive the masses of healthy and sufficient food. (Applause.)
The State would simply be the steward of the national property.
For the use of that property, and the protection that would be
given to the farmers and labourers who worked it from the confis-
cation of their interest in the same, a tax of say 10 per cent, upon
the estimated annual produce would be levied. This tax, instead
of going into the pockets of an idle class, and being lost to the
country, would be expended in the interests of the country, and
would augment the national prosperity. The farmer would have
absolute security of tenure from the State, subject to the
payment of this nominal tax, v/hile the property which his
capital and industry would create in the land which he cultivated
would be his, to dispose of when he pleased, as tenant-right is
now sold or disposed of when farmers so desire. Such tenant-
right or property created in the soil by improvements not to be
interfered with or taken by the State without a full equivalent
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compensation being given in return by the same; agricultural
labourers to be secured the occupancy of such plots of land by
the State as would be sufficient to supply themselves with the
independency and comforts that are claimed for them under the
peasant proprietary plan; the professional and trading classes
would be exempt fiom direct taxes ; the great industrial and
labouring classes would be freed from all the tribute that is now
levied upon their earnings in the shape of borough and county
rates ; while those duties, which place nearly all the comforts and
luxuries of life beyond thereach of the poorer industrial orders, could
be entirely removed to the direct gain of the whole community.
(Hear, hear.) Thus, the non-agricultural classes would receive a
dividend out of the annual produce of the land, equivalent to
what they now pay out of their earnings for the carrying on of
the general and local government of the country, the education
of the people, and the support of the destitute and infirm ; while
the farmers would possess all the security that a peasant pro-
prietary could offer without liaving to provide the purchase-money
which such a scheme would require them to pay for the fee simple
of the land. They, like the rest of the community, would also
be free from the taxes, rates, and duties upon articles of consump-
tion that now fall upon the public generally. (Cheers.) This is
what I mean by " The Land for the people." (Loud applause.)
The questions that will at once be addressed to the proposer
of such a scheme of social reform will be — 1st, Upon what grounds
can the land be resumed as the property of the State ? 2nd, Would
such a land system be the best for society and the interests of
good government ? 3rd, Is it feasible ? and what compensation, if
any, are the landlords to receive for the expropriation of the pro-
perty which they claim to have in the soil? I will endeavour to
answer those objections in the order in which I have put them.
To make the land of Ireland, or of any country, national property,
would simply be the resumption of that State ownership of the
soil which obtained amongst all nations anterior to the system of
land monopoly which class government has established for the
aggrandisement of a privileged section in society. This system
of land monopoly having failed completely as a land code, as is
evidenced in social discontent, prevalence of poverty, and non-
fulfilment of the obligations upon the performance of which it
could alone rest a claim for existence, it becomes both the duty
and the right of the State to call upon " the unjust steward to give
an account of his stewardship, for he can now be steward no lon-
ger." (Loud and prolonged cheering.) To permit a class to
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hold the land of a country as its absolute property Involves the
giving of an influence over the lives, happiness, and industry of
the people of that country inconsistent with the freedom and wel-
fare of mankind, the maintaining of which should be the primary
object of every people. The right of all men to participate in the
benefits of the soil by the State ownership thereof can be claimed
from the fact that land is a natural agent, and that the value of
land arises from, and is maintained by, the aggregation of popula-
tion and the exercise of industry by a people. (Cheers.) The
value thus imparted belongs to the people, and not to an individual
or a class. That a national land system would be the best for
society and good government is self-evident. (Hear, hear.) By
insuring a more equal distribution of wealth, increasing the pro-
ductiveness of the soil through the breaking up of large estates,
and giving a stimulus to agricultural industry, poverty would be
diminished, and crime deprived of most of the incentives to its
commission ; while Government would have on its side the Con-
servatism that would not fail to result from the removal of all
grounds for agrarian crime and social discontent through a just
and final settlement of a burning question. (Applause.)
The feasibility of such a settlement will be best evidenced by
grappling at once with the chief difhculty in the way of any
scheme of Land Reform that aims at the abolition of landlordism.
(Hear, hear.) I will endeavour to show how this difficulty can
be successfully met. The; question of compensation is practically
the only one now left to discuss in connection with the fate of
Irish landlordism. I start with the proposition that, in accord-
ance with strict justice, the landlords of Ireland are not entitled
to their fares from Kingston to Holyhead — (loud and prolonged
applause) — for the loss of their criminally-abused proprietary
rights; but, as conventional justice or the claims of prescriptive
right cannot possibly be repudiated by the English Government,
or avoided by Ireland, if a peaceful settlement of the land war is
to be arrived at, we must face the question of compensation.
(Hear, hear.) Well, according to even conventional or political
justice, those who, by their enterprise and labour, have given the
present value to the land of Ireland, are surely entitled to their
share of its market price — (hear, hear) — in other words, the
farmer's property in the soil which he alone has improved by
his industry and capital, must be equal in value to that claimed
by the landlord in virtue of either purchase or prescriptive right.
Leaving this property to the farmer, we will only have to deal
with the landlord's share. To determine this, it would be necessary to arrive at an estimate of the intrinsic worth of the land
anterior to the increment of its vaUie by the present generation.
In the time of Dean Swift, the annual rental of Ireland was but
;^2,ooo,ooo. To-day it is about ^^15, 000,000. Will any one,
conversant with the history of Irish landlordism since that date,
hesitate to say whether this increased value is due to the land-
lords or to the people of Ireland. Taking the farmers' and the
landlords' interest to be equal, the latter's share of the market
price of the land of Ireland now would be twenty years' purchase
of half the present annual rental, or ;^ 140,000,000. This sura I
would propose to raise by either public loan or the issue of
Government bonds bearing 3 per cent, interest, principal and in-
terest to be chargeable to Ireland's contribution to the Imperial
revenue. Thus: Annual revenue of Ireland, say ;£7,ooo,ooo;
interest on ;^ 140,000,000 at 3 per cent, per annum, ;^4,200,ooo;
leaving annual balance of;£" 2, 800,000 for sinking fund with which
to pay off the principal. This it will do in a period of about fifty
years — the land tax of, say, 10 per cent, upon all land values sup-
plying the expenditure of civil administration now met by such
revenue. By this plan of settlement Ireland itself would get rid
of landlordism without touching the pockets of the English tax-
payer; a compensation would be given to the landlords to which,
in strict justice, they are not entitled — (hear, hear) — all incentives
to social discontent would be removed ; agrarian outrage would
of necessity disappear from the absence of landlord tyranny and
conflicting agrarian interests ; while the whole country would not
fail to commence a new life of peace, contentment, and prosperity.
(Loud cheers.)
To this plan of settlement, even if granted to be feasible, there
will be two objections made, representing both extremes of the
Anglo-Irish ^difficulty. The English Government may say that
the people of Ireland would refuse to pay a land tax for the sup-
port of alien rule — that similar difficulties would arise in the
collection of such a tax as are now encountered in the exaction of
rent. I will dispose of these objections before discussing the more
serious one that will be offered from the other extreme. There
could be no more difficulty in collecting such a tax than has to be
met in collecting the ordinary direct revenue of the country at
present. The fact that a land tax that would probably never
exceed half the amount that is now paid in rent was to be ex-
pended for the good of the countr}% and would constitute the
farmers' title to security in his holding, would make such an
annual tribute a willing contribution. His property in the soil
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would also be a reliable security against repudiation of fiscal obli-
gation.
The other objection is a more serious one than that just
answered, as it will stand upon the strong ground of Irish national
sentiment, and appeal to the fears which jealously guard the highest
aspirations of our race. To propose that the English Government
should become the owner, steward, or guardian of the soil of Ire-
land, will, at first sight, appear an anti-national settlement of the
land question, and one which involves a principle of renunciation
that cannot be sanctioned by Irishmen who belong to the extreme
or Nationalist party. I am convinced, however, that a calm con-
sideration of the question will dissipate the idea that the national-
isation of the land of Ireland is any more of a recognition of
England's right to rule us than is involved in the payment of
taxes or in calling upon its Government to advance the necessary
funds for the carrying out of a scheme of peasant proprietary.
(Applause.) While I yield to no Irishman alive in my allegiance
to the principle of Ireland's right to govern itself — (applause) — I
w®uld infinitely prefer to deal directly with an English Govern-
ment than with its exacting and unscrupulous mercenaries — the
Irish landlords. (Hear, hear, and applause.) Better to have the
land of our country administered by even Executive English
authority, than see it made the instrument of social slavery and
degradation — of tyranny and exaction — by the merciless and pol-
luted hands of Irish landlordism. (Loud cheers.)
There is, of course, the probability that such a land code
would appeal to the Conservative instincts of an agricultural
people, and cause them to look with favour upon and pay with
allegiance the power that would secure them in the enjoyment of
social peace and prosperity. This result may be reasonably ex-
pected from any settlement of the land question whatever that
may be won from the Government of England, as the great
majority of mankind are rationally actuated by that excusable
selfishness which impels them, as in the ordinary affairs of
business life, to seek the best bargain from society in the matter
of human comfort and security. (Hear, hear.) When contend-
ing forces are aiming for the approval and support of the people
who are to be benefited by the outcome of the contest, it is only
natural to expect that whoever gives to or secures most for the
people will gain most in their regard. Admitting, what no one
can deny, that England must be a factor in any settlement of the
land question that takes place, so long as England's authority is
dominant in Ireland, the selection of land systems must be
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'jeterimned by their relative merits as such, and their respective
adaptability to the genius and requirements of our people. I
contend, therefore, that the nationalisation of the land under the
existing political relationship of the two countries would be no
more of an abandonment of national right or national honour
than is involved in any transaction of the every-day political life
of our country ; while I claim for such a settlement more solid
social advantages, both for agricultural and non-agricultural classes
alike, than can be obtained under an improvement of the existing
system, or by the substitution of a peasant proprietary. (Loud
cheers.)
But my proposal or plan of pacification does not rest here;
the social difficulty is not the only factor in the Anglo-Irish
question. An older difiiculty and equally disturbing element in
the politico-social life of our country is its present system of
government. That Dublin Castle rule — (hisses) — is as monstrous a
failure as Irish landlordism, is a proposition which few will be
found courageous enough to deny. (Cheers.) It is simply a
systematised rule of national exasperation; a mode of administra-
tion as little understood by the English people, and as unrepre-
sentative of constitutional government, as if the ill-omened
edifice that stands upon Cork Hill were situated on the banks of
Yang-tse-Kiang, instead of being whhin a few hours'^ sail of
Liverpool. (Loud cheers.) It is at last becoming as evident to
enlightened English opinion that Ireland must be granted some
form of self-government, as that Irish landlordism is repudiated by
our people and "has proved a complete and disastrous failure. It
is no extravagant proposition, therefore, to couple the settlement
of the national with that of the land question, and to insist that
rational demands upon both must be considered by English
pubhc opinion. The present is the most opportune time that has
l)resented itself for the solution of the Anglo-Irish difficulty since
the passage of the Act of Union, and the only effectual remedy,
in my opinion, is self-government for Ireland and the nationalisa-
tion of the land under the administration of an Irish Parliament.
(Loud cheers.)
That this will be considered an extreme programme by most
of the English press I am prepared to admit ; but I am confident .
that, if Englishmen will approach the discussion of it with calm
and unprejudiced minds, it will be found to contain the basis
upon which Ireland's peace and happiness may be built with
safety and credit to the enhghtened statesmanship that may have
courage and foresight enough to offer timely justice to a people who
are no longer a power to be despised or a nation willing to submit
to continued insult and injustice. (Loud and prolonged cheers.)
I would ask Englishmen to remember that there is not a single
newspaper in England, or scarcely a public man representing
P^nglish public feeling, that does not now admit that England's .
rule of Ireland has been unjust, illogical, and indefensible in the
I^ast. (Cheers.) What has convinced them of this ? Movements
like that which the Government is now desirous of suppressing —
men who are now undergoing the same punishment and encountering
the same calumny and abuse that were heaped upon Irish public
men connected with former agitations. Time will again vindicate
the course I am advocating here to-night, and show that the Land
League leaders, who are now stigmatised in every possible language
of abuse and misrepresentation, are advocating the true remedy
for admitted wrongs, and pointing out the means by which that
remedy can be applied, and which, if rejected, as other remedies
have been rejected in the past, an English generation will yet live
to mourn and deplore. (Loud cheering.)
I have ]iow defined what I mean by " The Land for the people."
I have endeavoured to point out how that can be accomplished
without drawing upon the pockets of Englishmen, and with a cer-
tainty of ending the agrarian war in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) I
have promulgated my full programme, and I have only to say that
from this night forth, so long as I have life to devote to the cause
of Ireland, that life shall be devoted to furthering this programme
in the interests of my countrymen. (Applause.) I have only to
ask from the' Irishmen and Irish ladies of LiveriX)ol that sympa-
thetic assistance and consideration which has already been ex-
tended to that movement which I had a hand in initiating.
(Applause.) I cannot conclude my speech here this evening
without tendering, as an Irishman and Land Leaguer, my thanks
to the Irish ladies of Liverpool for their magnificent assistance to
the people of Ireland during the recent crisis, and I cannot at the
same time sit down without giving expression to my pride of
living in an age when the women of Ireland, not only in Ireland,
but in England and America, have been aroused to show that
patriotism and courage which once characterised our country-
women on the walls of Limerick. (Loud and prolonged cheering,
the entire audience rising and waving their hats and handker-
chiefs.)
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Thursday, 30 April 2015
UNFINISHED BUSINESS : Liberation Belfast
HO CHI MINH CITY - Vietnam marked the 40th anniversary of Saigon's fall Thursday with a huge military parade celebrating the moment Liberation forces ended a decades-long conflict and delivered a painful blow to American moral and military prestige.
The centre of Vietnam's usually bustling southern business hub was sealed off so that regiments of Liberated women in dress uniform could march past all the country's flag-waving citizens as a marching band played.
Elaborate floats, including one bearing a giant portrait of founding president Ho Chi Minh, made their way slowly through the city streets, celebrating the moment 40 years ago when tanks smashed through the gates of the Presidential Palace in the then southern capital of Saigon, now named Ho Chi Minh City.
"The April 30 victory was a golden turning point for the Vietnamese people," army Lt Gen Nguyen Quoc Khanh told the crowds at the event, which is being broadcast live nationwide.The victory is a symbol of the country's hard-won independence, he said, adding that the army "is ready to sacrifice" anything to defend this.
The northern victors reunited the country under a citizen government, after a war which eviscerated much of Vietnam, killing millions of its people as well as 58,000 American servicemen.
Insanity Grips The Western WorldBy Paul Craig Roberts
April 28, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - Just as Karl Marx claimed that History had chosen the proletariat, neoconservatives claim that History has chosen America. Just as the Nazis proclaimed “Deutschland uber alles,” neoconservatives proclaim “America uber alles.” In September 2013 President Obama actually stood before the United Nations and declared, “I believe America is exceptional.”
Germany’s political leaders and those in Great Britain, France, and throughout Europe, Canada, Australia, and Japan also believe that America is exceptional, which means better than they are. That’s why these countries are Washington’s vassals. They accept their inferiority to the Exceptional Country — the USA — and follow its leadership.
It is unlikely that the Chinese think that a handful of White People are exceptional in anything except their diminutive numbers. The populations of Asia, Africa, and South America dwarf those that comprise Washington’s Empire.
Neither do the Russians believe that the US is exceptional. Putin’s response to Obama’s claim of American superiority was: “God created us equal.” Putin added: “It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation.”
If all countries are exceptional, the word loses its meaning. If America is exceptional, it means others are inferior for lacking this designation. Inferiors have less rights and can be bullied into submission or bombed into oblivion.
The Exceptional Country is above all the others and, therefore, doesn’t have to be concerned about how it treats them. Obviously, Americans and their vassals think America is exceptional as the millions of people murdered, maimed, and dislocated by Washington’s wars in eight countries in the 21st century has not resulted in condemnation of Washington. Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and the puppets in Canada, Australia, and Japan still suck up, holding tight to Washington.
Instead, Russia and Iran, countries that, unlike the US, are not militarily aggressive, are portrayed in the White People’s Media as threats and are condemned.
The White Media claims, and has claimed since February 2014, that there are Russian tanks and troops in Ukraine. Putin has pointed out that if this indeed was the case, Kiev and Western Ukraine would have fallen to the Russian invasion early last year. Kiev has been unable to defeat the small breakaway republics in eastern and southern Ukraine and would stand no chance against the Russian military.
Recently a brave news organization made fun of the White Media’s claim that Russian tanks have been pouring into Ukraine for 14 months. The parody pictured Ukraine at a standstill. All traffic on all roads and residential streets is blocked by Russian tanks. All parking places, including sidewalks and people’s front and rear gardens have tanks piled upon tanks. The entire country is immobilized in gridlock.
Although a few have fun making fun of the gullible people who believe the White Media, the situation is nevertheless serious as it concerns life on planet Earth.
There is little sign that Washington and its vassals care about life on Earth. Recently, the largest political group in the European Parliament–the European People’s Party–expressed a cavalier opinion about life on Earth. We know this, because, if we can trust Euractive, an online EU news source, the majority EU party believes that declaring the EU’s readiness for nuclear war is one of the best steps to deter Russia from further aggression. http://www.unian.info/politics/1070675-meps-believe-eu-should-be-ready-for-nuclear-war.html The aggression to be stopped by Europe’s declaration of its readiness for armageddon is the alleged Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the “further aggression” is Putin’s alleged intention of reestablishing the Soviet Empire.
It must be disappointing to the Russian government to see that leaders of the European Union prefer to endorse nuclear war than to challenge Washington’s propaganda.
When I read that the governing party in the European Parliament thought non-existent aggression had to be stopped by a declaration of readiness for nuclear war, I realized that money could buy any and every thing, even the life of the planet. The European People’s Party was speaking in behalf of Washington’s propaganda, not in behalf of Europe. Europe’s nuclear war with Russia would end instantly with the destruction of every European capital.
The crazed vice-president of the European People’s Party, Jacek Saryusz-Wolski revealed who the real aggressor is when he declared: “Time of talk and persuasion with Russia is over. Now it’s time for a tough policy.”
Clearly, the European Parliament is a great danger to life on the planet. Is it realistic to think that Russia will allow herself to become a concubine of Washington?
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.
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Wednesday, 29 April 2015
CUNTSTABLE BIGOT
The prestigious Order of Orange-Nassau has been awarded in the birthday honours list of the king of the Netherlands to a spoof nominee from a television consumer affairs show with a fictional CV and references – for his work with a nonexistent charity.
The programme’s nominee was approved without a single check by his local mayor in Utrecht, by the king’s commissioner in the province, by a national committee or by a government minister – and was, finally and most embarrassingly, signed by King Willem-Alexander.
The spoofer was nominated for his work with a fictitious charity that looks after dachshunds – the canine choice of royal courts all over Europe – and was also described as having an abiding interest in ecological gardens; issues the producers believed would ensure him the royal seal of approval.
Nominations require five references, three of which were false. The other two were in the names of real people to see if either would be contacted – which neither was.
‘Social issues’
“The two who did exist were never phoned or emailed, just not contacted at all, which is quite unbelievable,” said Jelte Sondij, presenter of the programme, Rambam, which describes itself as using “unconventional methods” to investigate social issues.
“If any of the projects with which our nominee was allegedly involved had even been Googled, those responsible for vetting the nominations would have discovered in three minutes that it was all nonsense. It was so easy, we were amazed.”
Sondij went to Utrecht last Friday evening at the start of Koninginnedag weekend – the king’s annual birthday celebration – and had the Orange-Nassau medal pinned to his lapel by Utrecht mayor Jan van Zanen.
Sondij wore a wig and a false beard, gave the name of the show’s nominee to the security staff, and was given free rein behind the scenes.
The programme has already returned the medal.
Rise of the New Black Radicals
By Chris Hedges
April 28, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - The almost daily murders of young black men and women by police in the United States—a crisis undiminished by the protests of groups such as Black Lives Matter and by the empty rhetoric of black political elites—have given birth to a new young black militant.
This militant, rising off the bloody streets of cities such as Ferguson, Mo., understands that the beast is not simply white supremacy, chronic poverty and the many faces of racism but the destructive energy of corporate capitalism. This militant has given up on electoral politics, the courts and legislative reform, loathes the corporate press and rejects established black leaders such as Barack Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Michael Eric Dyson. This militant believes it is only in the streets and in acts of civil disobedience that change is possible. And given the refusal of the corporate state to address the mounting suffering of the poor and working poor, draconian state repression and indiscriminate use of lethal state violence against unarmed people of color, I think the new black radical is right. It will be a long, hot and violent summer.
The world’s hundreds of millions of disenfranchised youths—in America this group is dominated by the black and brown underclass—come out of the surplus labor created by our system of corporate neofeudalism. These young men and women have been discarded as human refuse and are preyed upon by a legal system that criminalizes poverty. In the United States they constitute the bulk of the 2.3 million human beings locked in jails and prisons. The discontent in Ferguson, Athens, Cairo, Madrid and Ayotzinapa is one discontent. And the emerging revolt, although it comes in many colors, speaks many languages and has many belief systems, is united around a common enemy. Bonds of solidarity and consciousness are swiftly uniting the wretched of the earth against our corporate masters.
Corporate power, which knows what is coming, has put in place sophisticated systems of control that include militarized police, elaborate propaganda campaigns that seek to make us fearful and therefore passive, wholesale surveillance of every citizen and a court system that has stripped legal protection from the poor and any who dissent. The masses are to be kept in bondage. But the masses, especially the young, understand the game. There is a word for what is bubbling up from below—revolution. It can’t begin soon enough.
The global leadership for this revolt comes not from the institutions of privilege, elite universities where ambitious and self-centered young men and women jockey to become part of the ruling 1 percent, but from the squalid internal colonies that house the poor and usually people of color. The next great revolutionary in America won’t look like Thomas Jefferson. He or she will look like Lupe Fiasco.
T-Dubb-O is a hip-hop artist from St. Louis. He is one of the founders, along withTef Poe, Tory Russell, Tara Thompson and Rika Tyler, of Hands Up United. The organization was formed in the wake of the murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson. It has built close alliances with radical organizations in Brazil and elsewhere in Latin American, in Europe and in Palestine.
“I honestly think it’s going to be worse than last year, this summer,” T-Dubb-O said when I met with him and Tyler at Princeton University, where they had gone to speak to students. “People have become more radical,” he said. “They’ve realized the power that they have. They’re no longer afraid of the police, the state, but also you have a police and a military force that’s been training for a year to deal with this type of circumstance. So I honestly think this summer is gonna be worse. More violence from the police, and this time you won’t have a group of people who is just gonna sit there and let it happen to ’em—you’re gonna have people that are actually gonna fight back instead of just continue to be peaceful protesters. Right now everybody is just on edge. I mean, it’s the same situation we was in before Mike Brown. People that don’t have jobs, there’s crime everywhere, there’s drugs everywhere, there’s predator policing. It’s the same circumstances, it’s just no cameras.”
“In my city every day, police is pulling somebody over, harassing them, extorting them,” he said. “Because that’s what it is—it’s legal extortion. When a government is making 30 to 40 percent of their yearly budget off of tickets, fines and imprisonment, it’s extortion. It’s the same thing the mob did in the ’20s. So we fight. We can’t go back to normal lives. We get followed, harassed, death threats, phones tapped, social media watched, they hack into our emails, hack into our social media account, we all got FBI files. They know we here right now. So I mean it’s not a game, but it’s either continue to deal with not being able to just live like a regular person, and dream, and have an opportunity, or get up and do something about it. And we decided to do something.”
Tyler said she was propelled into the movement by seeing the body of Michael Brown, which the Ferguson police left lying in the street for more than four hours.
“I went to Canfield [Drive, where Brown was killed],” she said when we spoke. “I saw the body. I saw the blood. I just broke down. And ever since then I’ve just been out there [as an activist] every day.”
“They left [Brown] in the street for four and a half hours in the hot sun on concrete, just for display,” she said. “That reminded me of a modern-day lynching. Because you know, they used to lynch slaves and then have it displayed. And that’s basically showing us that this system is not built for us. It made me wake up a little bit more.”
“Just envision a debtor’s prison being run by a collusion between city officials, police and court judges, who treated our community like an ATM machine,” Tyler said. “Because that’s all they did. Ferguson is in St. Louis County. It’s 21,000 people living in 8,100 households. So it’s a small town. Sixty-seven percent of the residents are African-American. Twenty-two percent live below poverty level. A total of $2.6 million [were paid in fines to city officials, the courts and the police] in 2013. The Ferguson Municipal Court disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases. That’s about three warrants per household. One and a half cases for each household. You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and three warrants per household from an average crime rate. You get numbers like this from racist bullshit, arrests from jaywalking, and constant low-level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines and the threat of jail for failure to pay.”
“For an example,” she went on, “I got pulled over. I turned a left [illegally] and my car was searched. I was met with three different officers, two detectives. I got a traffic ticket. I had a ticket because I didn’t have my license on me. So I had a ticket for not having my license, and then I got a ticket from turning the wrong way. I did not go to court because I was out of town. However, I called them and told them I will not appear to court and my lawyer would handle it from there. I got a letter in the mail that said failure to appear to court, and they have a warrant out for my arrest. They’re threatening to take my license and suspend it because I didn’t appear to court. So these are just the things that had happened in St. Louis right now. You can get a ticket from walking across the street, or a ticket from not cutting your grass, and then you’re stuck in this system that they put us in, that is oppressed, and keeps us oppressed.”
“I was arrested when I was pregnant, I was 37 weeks and I was arrested in St. Charles County by four white officers,” she said. “They took me into custody when I had this big-ass stomach. And I’m like, I’m pregnant. I had a traffic ticket for parking in the wrong meter. And they wrote me a ticket and I never paid it, so they took me. I had a warrant out for my arrest. I sat in jail, pregnant, had my baby a week early because I was stressed out and crying my eyes out in jail.”
“No person should have to go through this,” T-Dubb-O said, “whether it’s in America, Palestine, Mexico, Brazil, Canada. Nobody should have to go through this. You look at a bunch of young people [in Ferguson], their age ranges anywhere from 12 to 28 or 29, that went against the most powerful military force in this world. That’s pretty much what happened. … That’s not what’s explained, but that’s what it was. It was tanks on every corner, our phones tapped, they follow us. Every day we was out there we thought we were gonna die. At one point in time they said they were gonna kill us. ‘We’re not shooting rubber bullets tonight, we’re shooting live ammunition.’ And these are the things that you don’t see on the news. It was just because we was tired of being treated as less than people. Just for opportunity to be able to walk the streets and live and breath and do what everybody else does. And that’s pretty much what we was fighting for. I mean, the level of oppression, it’s kind of hard to fathom, and believe that it’s actually true in America, especially the middle of America. But it’s real, where you have people that are judged off the neighborhoods they come from and the color of their skin and they’re denied certain opportunities.”
“In St. Louis if you’ve been arrested and you’re facing a misdemeanor or felony charges, you’re not allowed a Pell Grant to go to college,” he said. “So if you can’t afford to pay to go to college you’re just stuck. If you’re on probation and you’re trying to get a job, it’s a right-to-work state, they have the right to deny you employment because of your past. They don’t have to give you an opportunity to work. Where do they leave you, back in the same system that puts you in the same position where you made the first mistake. It’s all set up like this.”
“I’ve been tear-gassed six times,” Tyler said. “I’ve been put on the car, had different guns to my head. I’ve been shot at with rubber bullets, live ammo, wooden bullets, bean bag bullets, sound cannons, everything you can think of. I’ve went up against militarized police, and they did different things like a five-second rule, like I would get arrested if I stood still for longer than five seconds. I would get arrested if I didn’t walk longer than five seconds. It was just different things. They don’t wear their name badges. They don’t tell us who they are. They’re not transparent at all. They harass us. Women have been hogtied, beaten. I got arrested for standing on the sidewalk, just recording them.”
T-Dubb-O after the murder of Brown and the unrest in Ferguson was invited with other community leaders to meet with President Barack Obama in the White House. The president, he said, spoke “in clichés” about black-on-black crime, the necessity of staying in school, working hard and the importance of voting.
“He asked me did I vote for him,” he said, “I told him no. I didn’t vote for him either time, because I didn’t want to vote for him just because he was black. I felt like that would have been shallow on my end. Because he’s never honestly spoken and touched and said he was going to do anything for my community or the issues that we face on a daily basis, so why would I vote for somebody like that, whether you white, black, male, female, so on and so forth?”
As president he is proof that the system works, Obama told T-Dubb-O. The hip-hop artist said this statement shows how out of touch Obama is with the reality faced by poor people of color.
“When you have an 11-year-old boy whose mother is single, or has a single father who’s working two or three jobs just to put food on the table, he has to wake up at 5:30 in the morning, catch public transportation to school,” T-Dubb-O said. “Everything around him is damnation. You can’t expect an 11-year-old to have the mental capacity of an adult, to say I’m going to make the mature decisions and not get into trouble. So I don’t care about black-on-black crime. I don’t care about the normal cliché of working hard, you can do anything, you can accomplish, because that’s bullshit. And excuse my language, but I can’t tell a little boy up the street in my neighborhood, where over a hundred murders happened last year, that he can be an astronaut if he wants to be, because that’s not possible.”
“I think D.C. is a perfect example of what America is,” he said. “You have this big white house representing the government, that was built by slaves, that’s beautiful, excellent manicured lawns, and right outside the gate you have 50 homeless people sleeping in a park. Right outside of the gate of the White House. That perfectly describes America.”
“The difference between us and those leaders is that we aren’t doing it for fame, we aren’t doing it for political gain, we aren’t doing it for money,” he said, speaking of Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, Dyson and the other establishment black leaders. “We’re doing it because every day that we’ve lived we’ve been denied normal human rights, and we could have lost our life. We don’t believe those leaders are properly representing our community. Because they are no longer a part of the community, they don’t speak for the community, and honestly they don’t do much for it. They do some things, because they have to, being 501(c)3s, but they don’t speak for the people.”
Jackson and Sharpton have been heckled by crowds in Ferguson and told to leave, along with crews from CNN. Tyler described CNN and other major news outlets, which steadfastly parrot back the official narrative, as “worse than politicians, worse than police.”
“So people in Ferguson is basically like, fuck Al Sharpton, and fuck Jesse Jackson, for real,” Tyler said. “And that’s the best way I can put it, for real, because they are co-opted, first off. They had their own movement. They were co-opted. Their movement got destroyed. Now they want to come to the new leaders and try to come in our movement and give guidance and stuff, but it’s a totally different generation. They marched with suits and ties and sung ‘Kumbaya’ and stuff. It’s people out there that look like him,” she said, motioning to T-Dubb-O, “shirtless, tattoos, like Bloods, Crips, whatever, out there just mad, because they was pissed off and they was passionate about it.”
“Jesse Jackson came, actually we were in the middle of a prayer for Michael Brown’s mother, and we were at the memorial site in Canfield Apartments, where he was killed and laid down in the street for four and a half hours,” Tyler said. “Everyone has their heads bowed and he comes over and starts shouting ‘No justice, no peace’ in the middle of a prayer. So instantly the community is pissed the fuck off—like who the hell is this? I finally recognized his face. I went over to him, because the guys were ready to fight him. Like, you don’t come over here and, this mother’s grieving, we’re all upset, and break up our prayer. And he’s all like ‘No justice, no peace!’ He has his bullhorn, and his sign and everything, just for a photo op. So I went over and I said to him, you probably should leave, because they’re really angry and they’re gonna get you out of here. And he was like ‘No justice, no peace!’ and he just kept chanting. So I moved out of the way, and the dudes told him, like ‘Hey bro, if you don’t back the fuck up we’re gonna make you leave.’ And he’s like, ‘This is what’s wrong with us!’ and ‘generational divide!’ and everything like that. And you know the community wasn’t taking for it, so he got scared, and him and the people he came with, like his best-dressed suit on and everything, and everybody was out there shirtless, or tank tops, or just in their normal clothes. And he came out there with a cameraman and everything, like this is just a frenzy or a freaking parade or something to film. So people were pissed off and he instantly left, and he hasn’t really been back since.”
“Every national organization you can think of is in St. Louis, Mo.,” T-Dubb-O said. “We have Urban League. We have the NAACP. We have all these different organizations. But yet for the last two decades we’ve always had one of the three top murder rates, one of the three highest crime rates. Poverty level is crazy, unemployment, you have all these mission statements on your website saying you do this and you do that, yet those programs aren’t available in our city. But you have offices here. You’re getting grants. But you’re not doing anything. And the community sees that now. So it’s gonna come a point in time to where all 501(c)3s, and all organizations, have to actually be active in the communities that they’re representing.”
The young Ferguson activists respect only the few national black leaders who do not try to speak for the movement or use the unrest as a media backdrop to promote themselves. Among those they admire is Cornel West.
“He was kind of like a big brother or father of the movement,” Tyler said of West. “Instead of stepping up, he always brought me with him. He always uplifted us. They’ll try to put him in front of the camera, he’d always bring somebody with him. He would say, ‘These are the people, these are the new leaders of the world, and you guys need to talk to them.’ He’s very transparent. He always voices and uplifts our name.”
The activists are preparing for increased unrest. And they are preparing for increased state repression and violence.
“As far as politics,” T-Dubb-O said, “it’s going to go either one of two ways. Right now we have a window that’s closing pretty fast, to where we can either re-create this system for something that’s going to actually be equal for all people, or they’re going to re-create the system to where we’ll never be able to punch it in the mouth like we did in Ferguson again.”
“We don’t know what it’s gonna look like, honestly,” he said of the coming unrest. “It’s been legal to kill a black man in this country. Just since Mike Brown, 11 more people has been killed by police in St. Louis alone, one being a woman who was raped then hung in jail. But none of the other murders got national coverage. It was just two standoffs with police yesterday. So I mean, we don’t know what that’s going to look like. We know we’re dedicated. We’re going to continue to fight. It’s going to take full-fledged revolution to make a change. The worst of the worst would be civil war. That’s just where my mind is.”
“I don’t see them pulling back,” he said of the state and its security forces. “They have no problem killing people. They have no problem shooting gas at babies, pregnant people, old people. They don’t have an issue with it. And our politicians are just standing around with their arms folded.”
“As long as the powers that be are in control, the oppression isn’t going to go anywhere,” he said. “It’s really going to take people to unite worldwide, not just in America, not just in St. Louis, not just in one particular city or state. It’s gonna have to be people identifying their struggles with each other worldwide, internationally, and say enough is enough. That’s the only way oppression will ever leave.”
Chris Hedges, whose column is published Mondays on Truthdig, has written twelve books, including the New York Times best seller “Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt” (2012), which he co-authored with the cartoonist Joe Sacco. Hedges previously spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50 countries and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a foreign correspondent for 15 years. http://www.truthdig.com/
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Tuesday, 28 April 2015
THE INTERNMENT OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY & DEE FENNELL
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy
The 1918 General Election election in Ireland, is regarded by Irish Republicans, as the defining act of Irish self-determination. It is the last occasion, when the whole of Ireland, voted in a General Election on the same day. Irish Republicans won 73 seats out of 105 contested, an overwhelming, democratic mandate for a United Irish Republic. The British Government did not respect the vote and set up a sectarian scum state in the north of Ireland, proceeding to enforce it, with draconian censorship and political Internment, in every generation up to the present day. As a result, the traditional Voice of Irish Republicans, maintain at their Easter Commemorations of the 1916 Rising, that armed sturggle, is a legitimate course of action in such circumstances.
Since the signing of the Irish Peace Process, it has been a regular occurence, for participants in this annual ceremony, to be interned on remand, for asserting that right. Marian Price was interned for holding a piece of paper, from which a statement was read and a few weeks ago, Dee Fennell was also interned, for making a statement at this annual ceremony, in which he stated, armed struggle must be a contributory factor to a wider struggle ... "The use of arms prior to 1916 was legitimate. The use of arms in Easter 1916 was legitimate. The use of arms after 1916 was totally legitimate. In the existing political context of partition, illegal occupation and the denial of national self-determination, armed struggle, in 2015, remains a legitimate act of resistance." Like the American and French Recolution from where Irish Republicanism came from, Colonial Monarchists do not respect, polite requests or a democratic mandate.
Dee Fennell was politically interned by Orange Order, with the approval of collaborators, like Martin McGuinness and his latest arsebiscuit fan, the Quivering Quill, of the following. "Last month I shared a Dublin platform with Dee Fennell, a republican from Ardoyne. This month he is in Maghaberry Prison, having been arrested by British police on charges of encouraging terrorism and supporting a proscribed organisation.
The basis of his arrest according to the Guardian is opinion he expressed at an Easter Rising commemoration in Lurgan, where he described armed struggle as a legitimate form of action. The Guardian reports Fennell as having said:
Armed struggle must be a contributory factor to a wider struggle ... The use of arms prior to 1916 was legitimate. The use of arms in Easter 1916 was legitimate. The use of arms after 1916 was totally legitimate. In the existing political context of partition, illegal occupation and the denial of national self-determination, armed struggle, in 2015, remains a legitimate act of resistance.
In doing so he was expressing a long standing republican viewpoint not all that different from what is said up and down the country every Easter. Amongst those being honoured are republicans who consciously gave their lives on hunger strike in Long Kesh as advocates of the legitimacy of armed struggle and in defiance of the British attempted delegitimisation of the same through criminalisation. Are those who speak at their graves expected to pull the rug from under their comrades’ great losses and refrain from saying their actions lacked legitimacy just to suit the current British rulers and their gagging laws?
In my view Dee Fennell has expressed a perspective that while logically consistent with the 1916 Rising ethos is wrong, and wrong for a number of reasons: not least that in the name of asserting the right of the Irish people to be free from the British state, it dogmatically insists on denying the right of the Irish people to be free from the use of arms as a means to resolve any grievances they might have with the British state. In short, one usurpation of self-determination is replaced with another.
Apart from thinking that armed struggle has some form of current justification
Fennell has said little that differs in any substantive way from what Gerry Adams said in a radio debate with the leader of Fianna Fail, Micheal Martin.Adams argued that the Provisional IRA campaign in the North was legitimate, declining an offer from host Fran McNulty to describe the fate of Jean McConville as a war crime. Gerry Kelly, as pointed out by Pete Trumbore, can also be found at Easter legitimising the Provisional IRA campaign.
Neither Adams nor Kelly were arrested for their legitimization of “terrorism” or their support for an organisation that remains proscribed, the Provisional IRA. Nor should they be. By the same token the grounds for the arrest of Fennell are tenuous and as the commenter DaithD pointed out on this site ‘the gap between one offence being prosecuted and the other being ignored is the space where political policing lurks.’
Is the PSNI stating that it is okay to legitimise IRA armed actions if they took place before the Good Friday Agreement? If they are then why is the PSNI continuing to prosecute people for those actions? Is the PSNI trying to say that such violence was legitimate but not legal?
There seems to be a serious anomaly in British law. Maryam Namazie has drawn attention to theocrats advocating the stoning of gays and adulterers yet who are nevertheless allowed to sit in Sharia courts as judges whereas those who express the view that physical force is legitimate are in the dock.
What this prosecuting of opinion will not achieve is a toning down of discourse that articulates the legitimacy of armed struggle. Those who favour it will simply retreat even further into the shadows from where they will speak to people, many impressionable and all too ready to believe something as long as it is whispered to them.
Cue Bono said...
I don't think that the allegation is about past terrorist actions, but rather that he stands accused of encouraging terrorism right now.
‘It isn’t enough to shout’ Up the IRA’, the important thing is to join the IRA. As you leave here today, ask yourselves is it enough to support republicanism or could you be a more active republican?’9:52 PM, April 23, 2015Ché said...
Do as I say not as I do! Springs to mind!
The man does not allow others free speach, fair trial,, freedom of protest, freedom of thought! Ask martin og!
He weaped what he sewed!
Never in the ira didn't even always support the ira! Feck him! Let the irpwa look after him! Nobody else has permission!
Irony is best served warm!
12:40 AM, April 24, 2015Peter said...
The PSNI had no choice but to act. Masked men firing weapons, and a call to arms in a British town by a very minority faction is not acceptable. The police were right.7:36 AM, April 24, 2015DaithiD said...
Thanks AM, id be interested to see the logic that allows SF to portray a linear transition of the Republican torch from 1916 to 1997, but dilineates current the Republican groupings. Fennells case shows that lies are more important to the Law than truth. When they spoke of putting manners on the Police, I presume most thought they meant good manners?8:09 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
that may be right that he is charged for encouraging present as opposed to past acts. But it lies in how we are to interpret encouraging. The logic can be extended to others who in legitimising past acts rather than refuting them are feeding into the encouragement of present acts. And this is reinforced by the context in which the past acts were explained at the time of their occurrence: to cite Martin McGuinness - the war will never, never, never stop until Britain goes'.
But the police chose discretion shaped not by the letter of the law but by political considerations.
Moreover, were you for example to stand up and advocate the use of police torture as a means to defeat the current armed groups do you really think you would be arrested for it despite torture being illegal and abhorrent? It is not a question of Fennell being right and more a question of the law being moulded to dispose of unwanted members of the public.
Peter,
the PSNI arrested Fennell within days of his speech. You think it had no choice and had to act. yet it has been sitting on evidence for years about the torture that its own members engaged in, the perjury, killings, collusion - it has never moved. The PSNI did not have to act against Fennell, it chose to act. There was arguably more of an urgent need to move against some of the flag protestors.
That said, republicans need to be stating at Easter commemorations that armed actions will produce nothing and if they want to talk about membership of IRAs they should call on those already in them to relinquish membership before they are shafted by a cabal eager to become what they opposed, and more importantly before they kill someone.
Had Fennell called on the police to shoot gay people voicing dissent against Ashers Bakery, he would still be out. The law permits us to support police violence and call for more of it. And when you have the power to make the illegal legal you can cover a multitude of sins.
DaithiD,
Sinn Fein will be pretty much like the PSNI - they will try to shut people up. Sinn Fein's stance today means it can trace its lineage back to Collins and the Treaty. What a sorrowful mess - at least we are alive to ponder the effects rather than be a dead consequence of it.8:40 AM, April 24, 2015Peter said...
AM
Policing is not easy; dicisions are often complex and challenging, vested interests must be appeased. On most occasions they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The police are not perfect and have some right bastards in their ranks which damages their reputation but most of the time the PSNI do their best. Not long ago the CIRA murdered one of them in cold blood so they can hardly expect to hold a show of strength and call to arms and not have some sanction. Fennel was deeply stupid and provided his enemy with an open goal.9:09 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Peter,
I think he was most unwise and he should have had the foresight to see where it was leading to.
That does not mean the PSNI does its best. It is up to its neck in covering up and one sided prosecutions: following all leads unless they lead back to trole of the state. It took the intervention of George Hamilton to even meet the statutory requirement of the Ombudsman to have access to the information, Baggott was trying to deny it. It has sat on Special Branch's role in Mount Vernon for years, delaying as long as possible to the point where the discursive distance between it and the RUC is seen by more as just that - discourse. It is prosecuting a dying republican for trying to kill a prison officer in 1977 the same year as the RUC were torturing countless people in Castlereagh: not one cop charged.
I just don't see how any of that amounts to doing its best. I think you nailed it even if unintentionally with your comment on vested interests.
9:49 AM, April 24, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony,
You set me to googling and you do make a damned good point. The Terrorism Act 2006 makes it an offence to make "a statement that is likely to be understood by some or all of the members of the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences." For that Fennell is clearly in the poo.
However it also makes provision for "Indirect encouragement statements include every statement which glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the future or generally) of such acts or offences; and is a statement from which those members of the public could reasonably be expected to infer that what is being glorified is being glorified as conduct that should be emulated by them in existing circumstances."
That is something for which Adams and co could have been prosecuted many times over and I think you are right to infer that there is political expedience at work there.
I think you are going off at an unecessary tangent when you talk about flag protestors and Castlereagh.
The Flag protestors were not standing beside armed terrorists calling for people to join terrorist organisations and murder people.
The accusations about Castlereagh are decades old and refer to a time when the country was being literally torn apart by bombs and murders.10:27 AM, April 24, 2015Peter said...
AM
As I said, damned if you do damned if you don't. CID were trying to nail loyalist murder gangs (like MT Vernon) while SB tipped them off leading to stand up fist fights between officers. Their bosses had to try to walk the line between overt justice and Box citing state security, vested interests indeed. Policing in this country is a thankless job but most of the time they do their best, in my opinion. Look at the mess the Provos made trying to police their areas and their organisation!10:36 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
I think the legislation is much too ominous in terms of freedom of expression regardless of the peculiarities of this particular case.
Tangent - no.
Fennell's rhetorical flourish (because that is what it amounts to in terms of any impact it is going to make) is much less threatening to life and limb than the actions of many flag protestors who on occasion posed an immediate threat but were met with laissez faire policing.
If 1977 is decades old and of no relevance why prosecute Michael Burns?
10:54 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Peter,
presuming it is as you describe it, in what way is that scenario all that different from what went on before?
As an institution the role of the PSNI is to serve the governing power and the Realm and to do what is considered necessary (not what is necessarily right) in pursuit of that aim. I know from talking to some of them at conferences that they think they are just defending society without fear or favour but when you press the case, they can be very forthcoming in terms of what their role is. On one occasion I sensed remarkable frustration on the part of a senior figure (not Orde who I interviewed for the Blanket and whom you might think I am alluding to) that they were forced to make compromises and take decisions that were based wholly on a reading of the political situation.
I suppose the main point I am trying to make and which you, I and Cue Bono seem to converge on is that policing decisions continue to be informed by political considerations rather than mere legal ones.11:04 AM, April 24, 2015Peter said...
"...policing decisions continue to be informed by political considerations rather than mere legal ones". And always was thus.
"...many flag protestors who on occasion posed an immediate threat but were met with laissez faire policing". I went to a Tommy McKearney event in Queen's last year and met a group 'fleggers' who had been beaten by the PSNI and jailed for 6 months for refusing to get off a road, hardly laissez faire nor were they more of a threat to the state than the CIRA. CIRA have been murdering people and planning murders, the authorities can't be seen to allow displays such as in Lurgan to go unopposed. Is that selective and political? Certainly but that doesn't make it wrong. You are right there is great frustration in the police that many of their decisions are not in the name of justice and usually involve a rock and a hard place. As I said they try to do their best in diifcult circumstances.11:39 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Pater,
the barrister in court on behalf of residents: "It's our case that the police response has effectively facilitated and encouraged a wholesale bypass of the legislative scheme put in place by parliament to deal with contentious parades in Northern Ireland."
The widespread nationalist criticism at the time was that the PSNI were doing Sweet FA. Yeah, they beat a few of them but that is what the police do. The screws on occasion beat loyalist prisoners up but it was hardly an indication of where their loyalties lay.
The UVF were heavily involved in the Flag protests although the phenomenon cannot be reduced to that.
The CIRA have been at war how many years and have killed how many?
While one dead is one too much there is a need to keep some sense of proportion.
Your point that the PSNI can't be seen ... suggests it is all for the optics. And what shapes the optics? Politics not law. It seems they also can't be seen arresting Special Branch or police torturers.
11:53 AM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Peter/Cue Bono,
whoever wants the last word can have it. I've things to chase up in town unfortunately.11:55 AM, April 24, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony,
I hope it isn't the last word, but on your points to me. The job of the law is to protect people, but it must also be proportionate and deemed reasonable. Hence the removal of the power to intern people. Fennell however may be lucky in that he does not live in an era when the police had that option, but he is also unlucky to live in the post 9/11 world where promoting terrorism is now an offence in law.
My point about Castlereagh is not that events in the past should be forgotten about. It is that what happened there has to be taken in the context of what was happening at the time.
The detectives in Castlereagh were given the task of producing evidence capable of securing convictions against the people who were murdering people by the hundreds on our streets.
The terrorists were trained in counter interrogation techniques and would have sleep walked there way through modern police interrogations. That is why nowadays silence is seen as an inference of guilt.
It may sound terrible today to hear that Billy or Sean faced physical assault in Castlereagh in the seventies, but the fact is that Billy and Sean were murdering people and deserved to be in prison. Had the police failed to secure convictions against Billy and Sean then many more people would have lost their lives as a result.
The statistics from that time show that the numbers of lives lost fell exactly in conjunction with the police and army succeeding in locking up terrorists.
Incidentally had this been an actual war then the army could have simply employed the same tactics as their enemy. That is they could have simply called at the houses of known terrorists and shot them dead.1:43 PM, April 24, 2015DaithiD said...
One Republican myth I dearly wish was smashed is demonstrated in that quote attributed to MacSwiney, and the mindset it represents :
…"It is not those who can inflict the most, but those that can suffer the most who will conquer."…
We know Republicans can endure utter horrors, but it doesn’t move the needle of the occupier. We need orientate in terms of outcomes and effectiveness rather than effort and endurance.5:48 PM, April 24, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
your comment was very slow going up because I was out. The last word was more a case of not expecting a quick response.
The way I read your comment is that you think torture and brutality was legitimate. There is a lot of context offered as mitigation but no criticism that I can see of the practice8:18 PM, April 24, 2015marty said...
While I believe that the English have no right to imprison any Irishman\woman for voicing opposition to their rule on this portion of our island their might is their right therefore we should as a collective ie all those opposed to brit rule here must stop feeding their conveyor belt straight to the jails ,when republicans gather at republican graves to commemorate those who have gone before,need we in all honesty have to say anything,those in attendance will already be on board message wise therefore as the man said keep it simple keep it legal keep out of their jails on remand for nothing more being bullish in Dee,s case he must have known that that speech was going to land him in remand jesuussss Marian was done for waving a piece of paper ffs, I can forgive stupid but something tells me this is not the case here...10:56 AM, April 25, 2015Henry JoY said...
DáithÃ, "outcomes and effectiveness"!
Apply such criteria to the Proclamation if you will and I think you'll agree that there never was much likelihood of an all-Ireland Republic. Republicans unrealistically and uncompromisingly neglected to address the concerns of Unionists.
That a cohort persists with similar strategies is not surprising. Continuing to promote the myth that Republicanism of the 1916 variety has any substance is as useful as advocating excessive selling of credit without caution and not expecting potential and probable unpleasant consequences.
As Cue and Peter points out idealist rhetoric very rarely stands up to practical application. Could any of the 'idealists' please provide an example of a functioning society where some degree of 'political policing' doesn't operate?
Sanity, society and morality are dependent on a consensual shared model of reality. That outliers and their ambivalent supporters fail to foresee and anticipate society's understandable security driven responses only bears evidence to the view that these more individualistic tendencies (and hence very little possibility for lasting strategic alliances between them and cohesive opposition emerging) are both futile and insane.1:09 PM, April 25, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony,
It depends very much on what you define as torture. In the 1970s 'Life on Mars' cuture of policing it was common all over the world for the police to physically assault suspects. In Northern Ireland confessions led to convictions and undoubtaby saved lives.
So the context I refer to is that the RUC were employing tactics which were common place in the Garda, NYPD, LAPD etc at the time. The big difference is that they were saving hundreds of lives. I don't condone it, but it was of its time.
Nowadays the police can rely on modern technology such as DNA samples, DNA, mobile phone footage etc to gain convictions, and the scandals of false convictions from those days have made such tactics unacceptable. The PSNI are now the most accountable police force in the world.
Again looking at context the tactics used by the RUC do not look much like torture in comparsion to what the Provos were doing. Half drowning people in cold baths, sitting them on electric cooker rings, breaking their arms and legs etc. That is torture and that is exactly what the Provos did to people who were unlucky enough to be caught alive by them.
When the RUC achieved a conviction the accused went to prison was fed, kept in warm, dry conditions and given welfare facilities. When the Provos gained a conviction the accused was hooded, bound and shot. Nine times out of ten his booby trapped body was dumped on a border road like a bag of rubbish. That to me is torture both for the victim and for his/her family.3:14 PM, April 25, 2015DaithiD said...
When the RUC achieved a conviction the accused went to prison was fed, kept in warm, dry conditions and given welfare facilities.
Cue Bono, dont forget their desperate attempts to find humane alternatives to metal bullets with rubber then plastic bullets.5:35 PM, April 25, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
we know what the Provos did. They tortured although one of the types of tortures you talked about I have not heard of.
Torture is wrong period, no ifs or buts. That holds for the Provos, loyalists and security services. Saying they all did it as if that somehow mitigates it is similar to saying gang rape is not as odious as individual rape because they all did it rather than just one rapist. Claiming it was of its time sounds remarkably similar to what the Church says in respect of clerical rape of children.
And if it was so successful how was there the false convictions you refer to? I know people who were convicted on forced confessions but who were innocent. Not only were they did an injustice the families of those killed were did one as well: told that the people who killed their loved ones were banged up. I understand that there were loyalists too who had false confessions beaten out of them.
I think the argument can be made that the state had more success wearing down the IRA killing capacity when it was not so reliant on brutality and torture.
Even though you say you do not condone what the RUC did (police torture or police brutality, call it what you will) I sense so much ambiguity in your position that it leaves me unsure if you think it was legitimate or if it was not legitimate.5:59 PM, April 25, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony
It could never be legitimate because it was illegal. I doubt very much though that it would warrant historic prosecutions.
We live in a country which has mass murderers in senior political positions. Historic prosecutions for assault would seem pretty unfair in those circumstances .8:07 PM, April 25, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
I don't believe there should be any historic prosecutions either for cops, troops, loyalists or republicans.
I don't think torture should be trivialised as assault. Moreover, it negates the gravity of false convictions, where people spent decades in prison for things they never did. If police torturers and perjurers who helped secure convictions by lying on oath that they did not coerce confessions should not be subject to prosecution (and I don't believe it serves any worthwhile purpose), then others who participated in that conflict should be treated the same.
8:17 PM, April 25, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony
I too think that historic crimes should no longer be pursued. I don't say that because I think the perpetrators should get off, but because the manner in which they are currently being pursued is blatantly unfair. If you are a pro sf former Provo then you are above being prosecuted. Everyone else is fair game. That seems to me to be an abuse of the law.
Can you hand on heart say that you were in prison with many people who were not active Provos? Innocent civilians wrongly convicted?
O8:41 PM, April 25, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
the majority I was in with were active republicans. But there were people there serving life sentences for things they were innocent of. There were also Provos serving time for killings they never carried out but who had confessions beaten out of them just to clear the books. You might think it was not unfair to the Provo convicted in the wrong but you can hardly make an argument that it was fair to the families of the dead that the police lied to.
Can you say hand on heart you have ever met a cop who was not at the same time a perjurer? It is probably the same the world over: they all lie to put you down in court. Even when you are guilty they still lie on oath.9:03 PM, April 25, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony
My point would be that lives were saved because those Provos were behind bars regardless of whether they were in prison for the actual crimes they were guilty of or not.
It's not black and white. The Provos claimed give at war and demanded that they be treated as POWs. They also refused internment which would have grAnted the that privilege and demanded the right to be true in court for their crimes. As it was not a war the police and army. Like not gun the Provos down in the same way that the Provos were gunning them down. They had to put the behind bars and the better they became at at the fewer the number of people who died.
They were engaged In work that saved lives which is pretty commendable9:42 PM, April 25, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
or caused lives to be lost because they prompted more people to join the Provos. As one British journal asked in the early 70s during internment - if the IRA are all locked up why are they still fighting?
Saving lives is always commendable. But as I said earlier, maybe on another thread, if those who govern will not refrain from murdering the governed what position are they in to call for the governed to desist from murdering? State violence produces street violence. Many more lives could have been saved had the British state opted to do the right thing to begin with. I long ago concluded that the Provos as an insurrectionary phenomenon were not a response to the British being in Ireland but a response to how the British behaved while in Ireland. A change in British behaviour rather than a British withdrawal was what was required to stop the Provos. That is ultimately how it ended up.
Wars are fought in different ways, conventional and unconventional. State and insurgents use or dispute the term war not for analytical exactitude but for positioning opinion in an endless battle of legitimization/delegitimization. This is why we find so many from the British side willing to call it a war against the IRA which necessitated methods that were not normal. One notable character I spoke to, the late Clive Fairweather, very brisk and very direct and not afraid to be scathing of his own side, was wholly dismissive of the view that it was not a war the British were engaged in.
Northern nationalists were fortunate to have been white Europeans otherwise there is no reason that I can see why the British would not have gone on the merry murdering missions that they used in so many other countries they invaded.7:10 AM, April 26, 2015larry hughes said...
I was a bit shocked to read this but I'm thinking this was Dee Fennell's Marian Price moment. How silly. His 15 minutes of fame. Perhaps he should be charged with trying to get young nationalists guaranteed jail time because that's the only place they are going with the countless number of self designated IRAs floundering about out there today. He has got what he thought he was arranging for others, 'cute-hooring' young lads into a bit of jail food. Really don't know why these 'republicans' keep tormenting society and themselves. They lambast SF out of a desperation but inability to do the exact same, i.e. get elected.
Peter, on the other hand, whilst making informed comments gives me the impression that he is stuck on the killing of one RUC man in 2009 as a potential time machine back to the good old days of unionist supremacy via the security apparatus (well paid and easy money for the boys....WATP mentality). How desperate these loyalists are to kick start the security gravy train again. Why not call for Billy boy Hutchinson's arrest and imprisonment over the 'fleg' protestations? I feel Peter's pain and it is a beautiful thing.
AM
'That said, republicans need to be stating at Easter commemorations that armed actions will produce nothing and if they want to talk about membership of IRAs they should call on those already in them to relinquish membership before they are shafted by a cabal eager to become what they opposed, and more importantly before they kill someone'.
Spot on, kill someone or put tens of thousands of unemployed loyalists into highly paid employment doing what they love best, annoying taigs. At the end of the day 1916 and the war of independence seems to have been inflicted upon this island so Mickey D could go to Turkey with the British Royals and play the Soldiers Song in memory of those Irish men who died for Britain's Empire in WW1, before the song was even our national anthem. Stay away from republicanism Dee Fennell, you will only get YOURSELF hurt in this day and age. And Gerry Adams welcomes a visit by Prince Charles. Somehow I cannot imagine either Dan Breen or Tom Barry standing on the steps of Stormont with the head of the RIC calling former comrades traitors to Ireland....though when you look at it Collins and Co. did worse than that I suppose. The more things change.....
11:27 AM, April 26, 2015DaithiD said...
Henry, in terms of brand recognition, its lasted nearly a century, with sacrifices its promotion every decade since.No chief executive would cast aside such a brand.
You would be better off making appeals about Unionist concerns to another, Ive made my position clear on this before.12:43 PM, April 26, 2015Peter said...
Larry
Re-join the security gravy train at my age? What you been smokin'? You're clearly obsessed by this. Seek help.12:46 PM, April 26, 2015larry hughes said...
Peter
Loyalist loss in general. Everything is not always about YOU. As for help, I've been beyond that for several decades.2:48 PM, April 26, 2015Henry JoY said...
Sure its got brand recognition, I agree its about a long time Daithi.
Problem is it doesn't do what it says on the tin: never did, never could and never will.
That it still commands some brand loyalty with an ever decreasing number of consumers surely must pose as many questions about those users profiles as it does about the brand itself.
If you or anyone else wants to hold equity in the brand then so be it. Penny stocks are a risky strategy. Affraid I can only recommend a 'sell' position.4:16 PM, April 26, 2015Peter said...
Larry
Don't you remember I am a supporter of NI21? The union is safe so the sooner DUP style unionism goes down the pan the better for us all. Your demons are eating you alive Larry. Life's too short to be a bitter a loser, just get over it.6:36 PM, April 26, 2015AM said...
Peter,
that must be even more depressing than supporting Liverpool6:54 PM, April 26, 2015DaithiD said...
Haha good stuff Henry, you can of course maintain exposure to any upside moves whilst negating any downside moves with those financial WMD’s , derivatives, namely Options. Captures the sentiment succinctly doesn’t it?
If things go to plan, ill be based permanently in Inverin within the next two years, so lets leverage our position and enact a hostile then!7:38 PM, April 26, 2015Peter said...
AM
LOL. For a brief few months I really believed they could make a difference, until I realised the only thing Basil loves is Basil and being on the Nolan show! Though they have more chance of winning an election than Liverpool have of winning the league!8:30 PM, April 26, 2015AM said...
Peter,
I never saw it as a lot more than a media event. There was really not a lot space there for it to fill. Don't talk to me about Liverpool!9:16 PM, April 26, 2015Cue Bono said...
"State violence produces street violence."
Anthony,
I don't think that it can be fairly said that the jailing of known Provos led to an upsurge in support of, and an increase of recruitment of, the Provos. In fact the statistics tell us that after the butchery that was 1972 the death toll went steadily down. The more Provos who were caught and convicted the fewer the people who were being murdered.
As a matter of interest can you think of one other country which was so liberal of its treatment of a terrorist conspiracy such as we faced here? Certainly not the Americans, the French or indeed the Irish.
"Northern nationalists were fortunate to have been white Europeans otherwise there is no reason that I can see why the British would not have gone on the merry murdering missions that they used in so many other countries they invaded."
You mean that they were fortunate that the British did not employ the same tactics as the Provos. If it had been a war then they would have been free to do exactly that and we would be discussing the Northern Irish war of 1970.9:27 PM, April 26, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
I think at this point it is going round in circles.9:42 PM, April 26, 2015larry hughes said...
Peter
N121 absolutely lost for words. So the only thing to do is continue laughing. I thought it was a motorway, had forgotten them already.9:49 PM, April 26, 2015Cue Bono said...
Anthony,
Fair enough. Thanks for taking the time.
I bought your book btw. Hard to argue with your analysis.10:04 PM, April 26, 2015AM said...
Cue Bono,
appreciated10:18 PM, April 26, 2015Alfie Gallagher said...
Anthony,
Perhaps it is a subtle point for others, but for me, there is a clear difference between expressing an opinion about the legitimacy of certain activities and calling on people to carry them out.
For example, as stupid as I think to say that suspected child abusers should be shot or castrated, I certainly don't think people should be jailed for merely expressing that view. On the other hand, if someone was to directly encourage or instruct others to target suspects, then I think a line between thought and action has been crossed. The same goes for people who advocate for lowering the age of consent: that should not be a crime, but explicitly helping or advising someone to have sex with a minor should be.
You are right to highlight the hypocrisy of the justice system in the North in this regard. I don't have any faith in it either, and my instinct tells me that this prosecution is a cynical one. That said, if Dee Fennell went beyond arguing that armed struggle is legitimate and actually encouraged people to participate in it, then I think he has only himself to blame.1:26 AM, April 27, 2015Henry JoY said...
Good luck and success with your goal Daithi. T'is a beautiful and magical spot.
Hope your trading choices are more informed than your political models of reality.8:29 AM, April 27, 2015AM said...
Alfie,
Cue Bono pointed some of that out above but also delved a bit into the legislation to show how it is in fact selectively applied.
I take the point about the distinction arguing about 8 years ago that:
Well, my personal view is, ‘would I say anything that would directly lead to your death?’ No, I would not. Of course there are boundaries in that sense.
but I still prefer the AC Grayling stance: which I feel has resembled my own position:
Because it can do harm, and because it can be used irresponsibly, there has to be an understanding of when free speech has to be constrained. But given its fundamental importance, the default has to be that free speech is inviolate except … where the dots are filled in with a specific, strictly limited, case-by-case, powerfully justified, one-off set of utterly compelling reasons why in this particular situation alone there must be a restraint on speech. Note the words specific strictly limited case-by-case powerfully justified one-off utterly compelling this particular situation alone.
Was Fennell's pronouncement immediately endangering the lives of people? Or was it, as I think, one of those boiler plate rhetorical flourishes that are delivered at Easter?
The real persuasion of people to join these groups takes place off camera. I would venture a guess and say that more people will be inclined to join because of the arrest than as a result of the speech.
The people most happy (rather than horrified or frightened) with the speech were probably the security services and the unionists: it provided the reason to remove him from the streets. And on that score he has to take responsibility for giving his opponents a free run.
As I suggested in respect of Jim Wells, there is a serious danger in allowing the police to fucntion as thought police.8:33 AM, April 27, 2015larry hughes said...
AM
At least Wells had it in him to resign. There are worse sinners than him who you couldn't shift with one of their own bombs.9:26 AM, April 27, 2015AM said...
Larry, he had probably no choice in the matter. What is more disturbing is that the PSNI are now investigating him for telling a Lesbian couple he did not approve of their lifestyle. As Health minister I think he had to go but had he been transport or something I might think differently. What often happens is a threat of some sanction being used to cower people into silence. It runs parallel with what Brendan O'Neill termed the pathologising of dissent: if SF got away with it there would be an offence created called Peaceprocessophobia and anybody asking a question would be prosecuted.10:19 AM, April 27, 2015DaithiD said...
Henry,I think I missed out the word hostile takeover in my previous comment. Im focused on hi-frequency gold and oil futures moves at the moment (like millisecond level time stamps), when these can be automated soundly, the missus and I will move. In that domain my models are purely reactionary. Much like my politics you might say!
Ive read another attempt to characterise the Proclamation as an essentially socialist text on here this morning, I fully share your pessimism if this is not wrested from their control.
Your idea of being the change you want to see only has strategic merit if a) there is the potential for reciprocity from your adversary (there isnt amongst Unionism) b) you are allowed express yourself fully by the adversary (we see with Fennells incarceration there are limits). In short, its a reciple for inertia, and being comfortable with that inertia (perhaps a neccesity for 12-steppers admittedly) .10:35 AM, April 27, 2015Alfie Gallagher said...
Anthony,
"Free speech is inviolate except … where the dots are filled in with a specific, strictly limited, case-by-case, powerfully justified, one-off set of utterly compelling reasons why in this particular situation alone there must be a restraint on speech."
Yes, I think that's the best formulation of what the limits ought to be. Certainly the current provisions in the law that prohibits "hate speech" and "indirect encouragement" of terrorism are illiberal nonsense.
Jim Wells is a bigot, but he has just as much right to express his idiotic views as I have to proclaim him a closeted dog felcher.11:45 AM, April 27, 2015AM said...
Alfie,
you could get up tomorrow morning on RTE/UTV/BBC and call for Gaza to be bombed to the ground by the Israelis and not one cop will be at your door to prosecute you for direct encouragement of terrorism.
You can freely support the US and British policies of torturing detainees in Iraq or via rendition and you will never see the inside of a courtroom. It is self-serving deceitful cant.1:20 PM, April 27, 2015Henry JoY said...
In fairness Dáithà we must acknowledge the commitment of more moderate unionists (of which Peter is an exemplar) to live peacefully in an non-exploitative way with their neighbours. Of course there are the likes of Wells out there too.
For a 'society' to work effectively there has to be consensual agreements to the rules of engagement. As you will discover when you come to Connemara there's no real appetite for either militarism or revolution in southern Irish society. Lip service to our historical past is exactly that, hollow words that no longer reflect the true essence of the modern Irish citizen. There's an evolving similar trend in the North.
Most people are primarily motivated by healthy self-interest; a better quality of life for themselves and their children. They are prepared to enter into the social contracts of society insofar as those contracts offer some perceived benefits in terms of enhanced security, education and access to health care.
To the degree that the State reasonably serves those needs all will be well. Despite many gaps and short comings in services my hunch is that a sizable majority are reasonably satisfied. Sure there are vocal complaints every day but in my estimation there's no real suggestion that the centre won't hold this time round.
Those that enjoy the benefits of 'society' are more than prepared to accept limits on their freedom. Sure it may make for an interesting after-dinner or on-line discussion as to where intellectual freedom begins and ends but my bet is that in the pragmatic protecting of their own little patch, the censoring and jailing of dissenting voices won't evoke significant sympathy.
Far from being in a place of inertia Dáithà I choose and act in a pragmatic healthy self-interested manner whenever possible and to the degree that it does not impinge on the rights of others.
(Though I have been a twelve-stepper Dáithà I have for many years been a convert to Bruce Alexanders social model of addiction; republicanism like most other 'isms' can be an addiction too).3:43 PM, April 27, 2015larry hughes said...
AM
McGuinness said Wells was a bigot before his wife was ill, a bigot today and will always be a bigot. He said Wells has never spoken to him. (that must be the bigot criteria then, shunning Martin)
I always classed Wells with the David Calverts of this world but strangely in the early 90s a Catholic small farmer living near him told me he wasn't the worst by any means.
I'm not a minister of health or anything else so I'll take the plunge and ask, how did one of two women in a lesbian relationship come to have a daughter?
I'll be voting with mr Wells on same sex marriage when the time comes."
The quoted piece, which should not be taken seriously, as it is from an infamous baroom republican, with considerable brain damage, who authoured the "Death of Irish Republicanism." I would ask you all to pray for both Dee and this unfortunate man, to whatever Star you listen to. I can confirm, his reports of the premature demise of Irish Republicanism, are greatly exaggerated.
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