Foreign Branches of the 1915 -1944 Ku Klux Klan
Because the revival Klan had 100% Americanism as a major theme, few historians gave much attention to the foreign branches established by the KKK. This, too, is a major part of the Klan's "lost" history. This, too, would make a book of historical worth. As we only have a few fragments of documentation we would be grateful for any additional information sent us concerning foreign Klan branches.
If you're wondering how 100% Americanism could take hold overseas, the answer is simple. It didn't. The KKK had sense enough to modify and change certain policies and adapt the Klan to the specific country each branch was established in. Our source of information is the New York Times. While details are few, they give interesting insights none the less. We would be grateful if someone with the time would do a more thorough search of the back issues of the New York Times and send us any additional information about the overseas Klans (or the Klan in general) from the time period of 1865-1944. Thank you in advance.
The November 30, 1924 issue of the New York Times ran this news brief: "Urge Czechs to Organize Klan. Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company. Special Cable to the New York Times. VIENNA, Nov. 29. - In the Czechoslovakia provinces propaganda leaflets have been distributed calling for the Ku Klux Klan organization there. It is being formed on the American plan and is against Germans, Jews, Clericals and Communists. "
The July 15, 1928 issue of the New York Times ran this news brief: "Klan Reported in Lithuania, Aiming at Catholic Church. Wireless to The New York Times. Berlin, July 14, - The Catholic publication, Kovno, asserts that a branch of the Ku Klux Klan has been established in Lithuania with avowed purpose of undermining the work of the Catholic Church. The organizers were unable to keep secret their various ceremonies when initiating new members into the order, Kovno asserts. A flaming cross and white hoods and robes similar to those used in America were introduced here the newspaper declares."
The August 28, 1923 issue of the New York Times ran this news brief: "Report 1,000 in New Zealand Klan. Melbourne, Australia, Aug. 27. - The Argus says a branch of the Ku Klux Klan has been formed at Auckland, New Zealand, to combat Asiatic labor and traders. It is asserted that the Branch has a membership of nearly 1,000."
From the NYT or from a different newspaper, the following article is from the same time period as the ones above: "Mexico City Editor Seized. Masked Band Forces Promise to Print Klan Article. Mexico City. Aug. 27. - The publication of articles denouncing the Ku Klux Klan and denying the existence of that organization in Mexico is believed to have been responsible for the kidnapping last Saturday night of Jose' Campos, director of the newspaper Excelsior. Senior Campos was overpowered upon leaving his home and was held captive for four hours by a group of masked men in a suburb of the capital. He was not harmed, but was forced to promise to publish an article admitting the existence of the Klan in Mexico. He was told that the organization had been formed for the purpose of enforcing justice, since the government police were inactive."
Rare photo of British Klansmen
To many people around the world, the violence in British Occupied Ireland may seem incomprehensible. After all, it is nearly 15 years since the political conflict in the British province of Ireland was officially declared over, with the signing of the Good Friday Agreement.
That agreement was meant to signal the peaceful end of a nearly 30-year conflict that cost the lives of more than 3,000 people, which proportionate to the population of Northern Ireland represented a huge number of deaths.
Now it appears that street violence has once again returned with scenes from the main city Belfast looking like a war zone. Dozens of policemen were injured in riots, properties and vehicles were set ablaze, family homes were targeted by petrol bombs and hundreds of police reserves had to be flown in from England, Scotland and Wales to back up the overstretched security forces.
Adding to the bewilderment of observers is that the rioting crowds are supporters of a seemingly arcane institution called the Orange Order. Their members dress with strange-looking orange-coloured sashes, wear quaint black bowler hats and carry swords and flags to commemorate a battle that occurred more than 320 years ago between rival Protestant and Catholic English kings on Irish soil.
The commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, in which Protestant King William of Orange defeated the Catholic King James, is held every year on the 12th July. The annual Orange marches are held by Protestant descendants of British settlers who invaded the North of Ireland as part of Britain’s colonial conquest and demographic engineering against the native, mainly Catholic Irish.
The truth is that every year these marches are accompanied by violence, even in recent years of so-called peace. Why? Because the Orange Order was from its inception nearly 200 years ago set up deliberately as a sectarian instrument of British colonial domination in Ireland. The Order was exclusively Protestant, pro-British and rabidly anti-Catholic. The British colonial authorities fomented the Order and its vicious sectarianism as a way of driving a wedge between the communities and in particular to subjugate the rebellious Irish.
British partition of Ireland in 1921 into a nominally independent southern state and a British-run northern province has always been a bone of contention for the northern pro-independence Irish. They have felt alienated within a British gerrymandered northern state, denied of their national rights and dominated by a false pro-British Protestant majority. For the maintenance of this injustice, successive British governments have relied on the sectarianism of the Orange Order to enforce their unlawful imperialist presence in Ireland.
Every year, the pro-British Orangemen would march through the mainly Catholic nationalist villages, towns and areas of Belfast in a demonstration of the second-class status that the native Irish were assigned by the British authorities. The Orange Order and its triumphal boorish marches were aimed at denigrating the Irish Catholics, to remind them that the British state bestowed its favor on the Protestant, pro-Unionist community. The marchers would be draped with British Union flags and the foulest insults would be chanted or sung while the processions passed by Catholic homes and churches.
One of the popular songs of hatred sung by the Orangemen is ‘The Sash’. With drums banging out the rhythm, the marchers would sing: “We’re up to our knees in Fenian [Catholic] blood.” Can you imagine the humiliation and terror that Catholic households must have felt during these grotesque carnivals of vilification conducted right outside their homes?
Here is another example of the depraved mentality of these Orange marches. In one mainly Catholic area of Belfast called the Lower Ormeau a group of five unarmed men in a sporting office was slaughtered by a British paramilitary death squad in 1992. In subsequent years when the Orange marchers would parade past the Catholic residents, the Orangemen would in unison raise their arms with five fingers pointed at the households and neighbors of the murdered men. That was meant as a sickening degradation of that community aimed to demonstrate British-state-sanctioned superiority of the Orangemen.
Typically, the 12th July marches - thousands of them all across the British territory of Northern Ireland - would proceed in the morning through the Catholic areas on the way to a designated gathering point for dozens of Orange lodges emanating from different directions. All day in the field, the Orangemen and their paramilitary supporters would listen to bloodcurdling speeches denouncing Catholics as “enemies of the British state”. Copious amounts of alcohol would be consumed to fire up the hatred.
Then in the evening, the Orange marchers would make their return procession through the same Catholic areas that they had debased earlier that day. That is when the violence would often ignite, mostly provoked by the Orange side. To compare the Orange Order to the Ku Klux Klan is a fair assessment. Can you imagine the KKK being allowed to march through an African-American district of New York, Los Angeles or Georgia? Maybe a few centuries ago such a supremacist provocation could have happened against African-Americans. But only a few years ago, in the heyday of the British Orange state of Northern Ireland with its state-sanctioned discrimination against Catholics, the Orange Order would be fully facilitated in its provocative marches by the mainly Protestant-manned police force; and all with British government tacit approval from London.
Today, such outrageous state backing of sectarian provocation and humiliation is no longer acceptable or countenanced. The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 stipulated “equality” for all cultural traditions in Northern Ireland. The Police Service of Northern Ireland replaced the hated sectarian and death-squad-colluding Royal Ulster Constabulary, and a Parades Commission was set up to restrain the worst excesses of the Orange Order.
Nevertheless, it is still reprehensible that any Catholic community in Northern Ireland should have to endure any level of sectarian menace from the Orange Order and its paramilitary supporters. The latest violence in Northern Ireland has flared because the Parades Commission ruled that the Orangemen could not make their “traditional” return march through the Catholic North Belfast area of Ardoyne. During the decades of conflict, the community in Ardoyne saw hundreds of its people killed by British-state-sanctioned Protestant death squads. Yet, the same like-minded bigots in the Orange Order are aggrieved because their days of coat-trailing triumphalism through Catholic areas like the Ardoyne are now on the wane.
The Orange Order and its supporters make the absurd claim that such restrictions amount to “an erosion” of Pro-British Protestant culture. Of course, British media and politicians in London are wringing their hands over the latest upsurge in Orange violence.
London-appointed Northern Ireland minister Theresa Villiers said of the mayhem this weekend: “This sort of behavior does nothing to promote ‘Britishness’ or the pro-Union cause.”
Ms Villiers and her London government are woefully ignorant of history or are feigning ignorance. For it is precisely British colonial policy in Northern Ireland that instigated and fomented the sectarian psychosis of the Orange Order and its followers over many centuries and until recently. Every year, Irish people, both Catholic as well as many decent Protestants, have to endure the hate-filled legacy of British misrule in Ireland. The only viable long-term solution to Ireland’s ongoing political problem is for the British government to remove its unlawful imperialist presence in Northern Ireland, give way to long-denied Irish self-determination, and for the British misrulers to take their poisonous sectarianism with them.
Some details about the Ku Klux Klan in Canada.
For much of the 1920's and 1930's, Manitoba, Alberta, and British Columbia had growing branches of the KKK. But none of those provinces, even when combined, could equal the size and influence of the KKK in Saskatchewan. From the late 1920's to the early 1930's, the Saskatchewan Klan was a power to be reckoned with. It toppled the province's government, established over 100 Klaverns across the province, and signed up nearly 40,000 members. It was the single largest White racial conservationist organization in Canadian history. When one considers that Saskatchewan's population was 750,000 at the time, it was an impressive success. At $10.00 per membership it was, also, wealthy. Documents in the Saskatchewan provincial archives reveal that in the tiny village of Woodrow, for example, 153 residents were members of the KKK out of a population of 218. Such was the Klan's popularity at the time.
In November 1926, three Indiana men, former South Bend Exalted Cyclops Hugh Finley (Pat) Emmons, Klan organizer Lewis A. Scott, and Scott's son, Harold, teamed up to establish the Saskatchewan Realm of the Invisible Empire. At well attended rallies held all over the province, Emmons described the KKK as "the greatest Christian, benevolent fraternal organization in the world today". One Moose Jaw Klonklave, on June 7, 1927, drew nearly 10,000 Klansmen, some arriving from Regina on Canadian Pacific Railway cars. Many church ministers spoke at Klan rallies for an honoraria of up to $25.00.
Like the Klan in the USA, rapid success and large sums of money led to scandal. The Scots ran off to Australia with $500,000.00 plundered from the Klan's treasury. Emmons went to Florida with $20,000.00. He was indicted for theft and agreed to return to Canada for trial. He was acquitted when he proved to the court's satisfaction that the Toronto based Imperial Palace of the Canadian Klan had given him permission to keep practically all the money he collected. Toronto Klan leaders then sent Klan organizer "Doctor" J.H. Hawkins to Saskatchewan to replace the Scots and Emmons. He was later joined by John J. Moloney from Alberta. Hawkins was an excellent speaker and, with Moloney's help, quickly got the Klan going again. By 1928, the Ku Klux Klan could boast of the allegiance of no less then eight mayors, eleven village clerks, seven reeves, twelve secretary - treasurers, and thirty seven councilors. Chiefs of police, ministers, W.W.I vets, doctors, teachers, justices of the peace, lawyers, and scores of Orangemen were also part of the Saskatchewan Klan's political power structure. It could even count on the occasional support of R.B. Bennett, the Conservative leader and future Prime Minister.
Almost six decades later, the Imperial Wizard of the Invisible Empire Association of Alberta, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Tearlach Barra Eoin Ros Dunsford Mac a'Phearsoin (professional herbalist and registered minister of the National Spirit Church), reflected on the Klan's good old days, when John J. Moloney and his Kluxers inspired respect across Alberta and Saskatchewan. "In 1927," said the Klan leader. "the Grand Master of the Orange Order asked KKK organizers from the USA to come to Alberta to organize the Klan. John Moloney eventually became the leader of the Canadian Klan and he officially incorporated the KKK in September 1932. That lasted until 1950. When I moved here in 1965, I joined the Odd Fellows Fraternal Order and the Klan as well." After a pause the Imperial Wizard went on: "The Klan was still in existence then, in a very small way. It was viewed as a very Protestant organization here, because the organization in the 1930's, and even before that, got its members from the Orange Order." It is interesting to note that there were provisions in the Canadian Klan's charter where people who belonged to minority groups (neither White nor Christian) could join as registered supporters.
The Canadian Klan lingered on more or less for years. Finally, in 1979, the leadership rolls passed on to Wolfgang Droege and James Alexander McQuirter. Droege organized a British Columbia publicity tour for by David Duke, Grand Wizard of the American based Knights of the KKK. Duke conducted more then 30 newspaper, television, and radio interviews. The tour was a total success resulting in massive publicity. A Conservative member of Parliament offered to be Duke's advisor and promoter. Interest in the Canadian Klan boomed as a result.
By October 1980, Droege was forced out of his printing job. The provincial government was putting pressure on the owner, and he was having problems getting government work due to his employee's Klan involvement. (Such government pressure is illegal in the USA thanks to our written Bill of Rights.) In spite of such things, the Canadian Knights of the KKK continued to grow to a size of 2,500 committed Klan members. Because Droege oversaw a massive recruitment in urban British Columbia schools, Vancouver high schools, the University of British Columbia, and the B.C. Institute of Technology most of the members were very young.
Michel Larocque had the distinction of being the first Quebecker to establish a branch of the Klan in that province since the 1920's. By 1990, a variety of American based independent KKK groups were establishing branches in Canada. This led to division. There was no longer "the Klan" in Canada but "the Klans" in Canada. The Quebeckers, along with Klansmen in Ontario and the Maritimes, were directly under the leadership of Thomas Herman, a former Newfields, Maine, police officer. The Quebec Ku Klux Klan split when Eric Vachon, federalist leader of the Sherbrooke Klan chapter tried to take over Larocque's separatist Montreal branch. Larocque formed his own KKK organization calling it the "Longitude 74 KKK". Montreal is situated on the 74th longitude. After a year of name changes and personality conflicts the group drifted. Meanwhile the Sherbrooke faction hit the streets. Vachon's Klan grew bolder by July, 1991, launching membership drives in the eastern townships of Bury, Compton, Sawyerville, and Johnville.
So what went wrong in the great white north? In the 1990's, there was a parallel collapse of the Ku Klux Klan in the United States and Canada (as well as in several European countries, Australia and New Zealand). Large numbers of neo nazis and skinheads began to join the various Klan groups en masse. They even formed their own "nazi" Klans. The violent actions of these people led to the arrests of many "Klan" leaders and the collapse of many Klan groups across Canada, the USA, and beyond. Nearly all the KKK organizations that existed in the 1990's are now defunct. In Canada, a new Criminal Code of Canada and a Canadian Human Rights Act outlawed most of the Klan's activities. For example, in Alberta, the province's Individual Rights Protection Act prohibits the displaying of Klan symbols, fiery crosses, and White Power insignia. Even Klan literature crossing the border from the USA to Canada can be seized by Canadian Customs and Excise officers with newly given authority from the Canadian federal government. Lacking a written Bill of Rights as we have in the USA, the Canadian Ku Klux Klan (as well as other foreign Klans) will be hard pressed to revive itself. It may exist in a minor way as a private club, White people's fraternal order, or self help group, but gone are the days when the Canadian KKK would ever be able to command the numbers and political power it once had. But, will there still be attempts to revive the Canadian Ku Klux Klan? You bet there will be. Will they succeed to any extent at all? That all depends on who will be leading the revival.
Some details about the Ku Klux Klan in pre-war Germany.
A chapter of the American Ku Klux Klan was founded in Germany during 1921. Two Americans, father and son, were the chief founders of the German Klan. Both men spoke fluent German and were of German descent. The father was Rev. Otto Strohschein, a naturalizes American citizen of German birth, his son's name was Gotthard, also a naturalized citizen.
The Strohscheins, with the help of a native born American, Donald B. Gray, went to Berlin in 1921. There, according to German police, they set about organizing the order known as the "Knights of the Fiery Cross". Which was patterned after the American KKK. The order was founded in February 1921. There were three degrees of membership. (The American Klan, itself, had not yet introduced the fourth degree of the KKK at this time.) The governing body of each Klavern consisted of 14 members know as "the Senate". There were three Klaverns in the various sections of Berlin, known as the Viking, Germania, and Heimdal; numbering altogether about 400 members. The provincial Klaverns were believed to bring the total to more then 1,000.
The three Americans tried to make the German Klan the exact counterpart of the KKK at home. It is believed, but unconfirmed, that they even made a trip back to America to bring about greater affiliations between the two orders. The German Klansmen soon objected to too much Americanization and practically threw the Americans out. Gray returned to the United States in the summer of 1925, and the Strohscheins went to Silesia to form new Klaverns there.
Richard Brant soon took over the order as the supreme leader and gave himself the title of "Wotan". Brant held an important position in the Siemens Electrical Works. He is also the one who wrote the oath of knighthood for the German Klan. It is interesting that part of that oath included this Masonic-like passage: "If, however, I should betray the aims of this order, I will take upon myself the most frightful martyrdom. All my bones shall be broken, my eyes shall be gouged out, my body drawn, quartered, and thrown to the vultures."
That should have attracted a multitude of new members.
At the meetings Klansmen wore white robes and hoods. In each Klavern there was a small table on which stood a small death's head and a sword. On the wall hung the flag of Imperial Germany and the flag of the (then) present German government. Initiation ceremonies were conducted at the Klaverns, but sometimes the Knights would take the prospective new members to the forest at night and conduct the ritual with blazing torches.
The German Ku Klux Klan lasted until the early 1930's, when it was forced to disband by the newly installed Nazi government. Once established the Nazis began to persecute and even outlaw all organizations that were not founded or totally controlled by them. Thus ended the German Ku Klux Klan.
Illustration below: Dated 1935, The German Klan, like Christ, had its cross to bear. Caught between the carnage of W.W.I and Hitler gearing up for W.W.II, the German Klan was crucified by the Nazis.
Since W.W.II, there have been numerous attempts to establish branches of modern day Klan groups in Germany and many other countries. They all failed because these "Klan" groups were not Ku Klux Klan at all. They were merely neo-nazi groups playing at being Ku Klux. They knew nothing of true Klan ideology and preached nazism and not the true principles and purposes of the KKK. This led to great confusion on the part of the public and media, as well as people seeking true Klanishness.
Some details about the Ku Klux Klan in pre-war Scotland.
In Edinburgh, there was a strong political party called: "Protestant Action", which at one time had 8,000 members and up to a third of the seats on the City Council. The founder and leader was an ex-soldier named John Cormack.
In August 1935, members of the party clashed with the Catholic Vigilance Association in the St. Leonard's District of the city. As a response, "Kormack's Kaledonian Klan" was founded with Cormack as the "Khieftain", as a strong arm branch for the party. They had a hall called the "Kaledonian Klub" where they had a gymnasium. The Scottish Daily Express did an article on them on January 21, 1938 and the Sunday Post had a photo of a Knight on Jan. 23, 1938, with the caption: "Hoods are worn at the meetings so that possible traitors among the members do not know who has been assigned to carry out a certain job". The hoods and robes were black. Some of the members were trained in the use of arms.
They met once a week and spent most of their time stewarding meetings or at sports. Press reports say that 5,000 people came to see their first public appearance. There is some evidence that Cormack used the KKK image because he was impressed by how the Klan had organized to defeat Al Smith's Democratic bid for US president.
Cormack's friend and colleague, Matthew Perkins, in Liverpool, had been criticized earlier when he preached a sermon in the Protestant Reformers' Church saying Britain needed an organization like the Ku Klux Klan in the USA. Cormack's Klan may have been a reaction to this. What is interesting is that Perkins was a Black man. Cormack was against anti-Semitism, but, like the KKK in the US at the time, he was also against Fascism.
Article above: The man in the photo is wearing a Klanswoman's robe. If you're going to do something, do it right. Nothing looks more ridiculous then a man wearing women's apparel. This is not the first time I have seen this sort of thing. At a Klan rally in Pulaski, TN. I came across a young man wearing a Klansman's robe. I told him he was wearing a woman's robe. Some other people did the same. He, however, insisted he was wearing a Klavalier's robe. It's obvious that this ignoramus never bothered to go to the library and look at some books on the KKK that had photos. Do your research, unless you want to be known as the transvestites of the KKK, like the Scotsman above.
Orange Order Foreign Branch of the Ku Klux Klan
Today, such outrageous state backing of sectarian provocation and humiliation is no longer acceptable or countenanced. The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 stipulated “equality” for all cultural traditions in Northern Ireland. The Police Service of Northern Ireland replaced the hated sectarian and death-squad-colluding Royal Ulster Constabulary, and a Parades Commission was set up to restrain the worst excesses of the Orange Order."
Patrick
William
Tell me whats wrong with beastiality? The animal is not harmed nor forced, Loyalists treat there animals way better then taigs, there mates not pets and most Orange lodge’s will never discard them just because they have been rejected. For example horses, Orangemen that love horses will never send them to the slaughter house thats just sick ! after all the horses have done for us in the past and this is how we repay them no use kill them and eat!
Freddie
“Every step a man makes there are hoof prints walking along aside man”
Willie
TURN TO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Born Again Virgin
Maybe they are lovers? Horse got headache then Orangeman goes bordello… KILL THEM ALL !
American gigolo
Sex with animal is legal… What a sick and decadent world we live in. And there are neanderthals retards like Spirit and Britain defendig it (“what`s wrong with bestiality?” is a question that only a retard moron would asks
Most people worry about other peoples pleasures and forget entirely about thier own and waste thier lives trying to stop us, its insane since most of the people eat products that are made from different animals.
The animals killed to make food often suffer so much in the process and ultimately die, its depressing. I would love to communicate with the animal on the next level. If people don't like it, then why even try to change our ways, it wont work! There will always be a community of us and as long as British Occupied Ireland on the map it seems that it will remain legal.
Orange Grand Mister
You UNDERSTAND the emotional component of this.
To all you nay-sayers, I suggest you do some research & get your FACTS straight when you make pronouncements like ‘sickko’ & such.
Shows your level of underatanding! Its NOT ‘sick’ as you put it! Ask ANY shrink. Orangeism is NOT a mental illness, merely a harmless paraphillia; ie a FETISH!
As LONG as no harms done to man or beast, WHAT is the problem? You dont like it? DONT Do it simple!
YOU have no RIGHT to tell others who or what they can make love to!
Get some logic, THEN come back and argue against the subject with LOGIC, like we do, NOT the irrational emotional rantings all of you fun spoliers seem to scream with, with child like raving tantrums!
Time to grow UP people! This is reality! Its always been here! GET used to it!
Iris
People that have sex with animals are true evil as it say’s in the bible (Lev 18:23) in (20:15-16) it states “No man or woman shall lay with a beast if so he shall be put to death and kill the beast” It’s considered just as evil as brother and sister having sex. It means you have the right to kill anybody who has sex with their siblings or animals and god won’t punish the killer.
So don’t even compare yourself to any other group because your pure evil in itself by yourself. Your truly are sick and depraved I hate you as much as I hate child molesters and you all shall pay in the after life. I’m not gay but I don’t hate or want to kill them. I know gay people that are not perverts You beastiality motherfuckers need to die.
God Fearing Ulster
Also does it say in the bible that those that lie with another man or without marriage are vile pure evil sinners. The bible evolves through time, if go go back far enough in history all religions were told to hate one another and even some told there people to kill those of another religion of there own because there were pure evil. It all falls into your followings if you find it wrong then that is your beef, If Dalek finds it right than thats his own. But person I find it wrong to whore out your animals you don’t have that deep friendship as you would if it was your own animal how can you trust an animal that isn’t really yours. It is no longer about your passion and the love it is only about just fucking. There is a difference of those whom call them selves Beasts ( the are just after the sex) and those who call them selves Zoos ( The passion and love, not just about sex.)
Official Unionist
Now come on, you can’t just pick and choose. If you are going to cite the Bible on beastiality, then also cite it on homosexuality:
“If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” – Leviticus 20:13
If you are using the Bible as your guide, then you should use the entire Bible, not just the parts you agree with because you are supposed to believe that it is the inspired word of God. Not just some parts of it, but the whole thing.
Ah, but I am not here to comdemn people to death for their sexual practices. The Bible does that, but it doesn’t speak for me. But, do we even need the Bible to know that this sex with animals is disgusting and detestable?
The answer is no. The average person anywhere in the world, regardless of religion, is dismayed and shocked by the practice because it is wholly unnatural and shows a deviation from the norm.
Such people who practice zoophilia are deviants who are going down a sick path. Of course, they take offense to being called “evil” or “sick” and want special status as a minority group with rights. There are new groups like this springing up all over the world demanding their right to do whatever they want to do. Of course, if they do it, and the only harm they do is to their own body, mind and soul, then I believe they do have that right. However, since it is such a repulsive practice, they should not be surprised that the general population finds it very disgusting and out of pure repulsion, people will very likely attack them either verbally or physically if they catch them doing it.
So my position is somewhere between the extremes: on one side is the militant zoophile who wants his “right” to have sex with animals to be normalized in society or at least left alone to go to the barnyard brothels. On the other extreme are those who quote the Bible and are really willing to kill a human being over this issue.
If I ever saw this being done, I would be disgusted and I really don’t know what I would do. I doubt that I would attack the person doing it, but I would certainly show my disgust with it.
As for those who have tried it and are getting hooked on it. You have a real problem and need to get help before it takes over your life. Your goal should be to have normal sexual activity with a member of the opposite sex and leave this obsession behind you. There are a lot better things to be doing with your life anyway. There is also a New World Order and frankly, these kinds of craziness are part of it.
I blame all the Paddys for the problems with the beasts, back in there land they would fuck and thing that has half a hole. that's how aids got started a Paddy fucked a monkey and bingo aids got spread.
Tyrone
That is such a pathetically stupid comment, “lost in un-reality”.
Why does this article attract so many retards? I guess it’s in the title, but it should also be read by level-headed decent God fearing people, just so they understand that there is this sickness running through society and it needs to be addressed.
It’s actually scary how many hits it has been getting, hundreds every day for months. There are a lot of you out there and I don’t just mean loyalists, but also religious nuts and assorted racists chiming in..
Traditional Republican
lost in reality
New IRA
You know what? Your racism is just as filthy and disgusting as the animal fuckers. There is no difference between you and them. You are all a bunch of…I almost said ‘animals’… but truth is animals are better than you all.
It’s just sad, so sad how degenerate and crazy people are and they have no shame or desire to change. It is one thing to have a problem and admit it, but it is quite another to revel in it. That is a sign of spiritual darkness, a diseased mind.
A Nun
Oh yeah, another Orange psycho head case.
this is ba,ba,ba,ba,bad.
i dont think mr ed would approve of this,and as for dog sex,why thats ruff!
btw if a man has sex with a cat,does that mean he likes pussy?
whAt about sex with a tomcat?
what would THAT be??
inquiring minds want to know.
HEE HAW,HEE HAW!!
Republican
seriously you Orangies are selfish .for your sefish ,self centered desires you abuse animals who cannot consent.
stop it
bastards
RAAD
EVIL BASTARDS,i hope all of you die ASAP. Youre all so ill. and i would personally have no problem ....... and let the animals you abuse eat your remains…..you f**king sick individulas,and yesyou are i minute bunch of outcasts! rot in hell,,,and you will do just that you twats.
Decent Catholic
That is just gross and sick>>>>>>>>>>>>man was created for woman and woman for man and not man for beast,,,,,nor woman for beast….how can someone watch an animal and desisire than their own human beings.sick…for reasons like these the world shall perished and all the lust thereof
Canadian orangeman
I agree that this should be done everywhere also its a great idea, i know i would do it and its not that much of an expense, people pay for hookers and thats apprently alright to do
czarina
American fenian
Let me get this straight: do you mean to tell us that your husband/lover inserts his penis into your dog’s vagina, and into your vagina too?? I didn’t know that women like you existed. After reading this blog, I feel nauseated, and I think I need psychotherapy.
Green
Wow, what a crazy. I feel bad for animals. Those people have no rights to do that.
I agree only that like what seems to be the majority, bestiality, Orangeism or whatever one wishes to call it is unacceptable to the vast majority of people worldwide, or at least that is my impression.
Like many, I have to consider it some sort of mental problem or just plain sick.
Uncle Sam
Ugh… this makes me feel sick. I understand that bestiality has been around forever. However, it has normally been kept secret due to society’s disapproval. But in Britin they are doing it openly, apparently with the approval of society? How low can British go?
Henry,
Exactly. Next the necrophiliacs will be demanding their “rights” to defile corpses in graveyards. And it goes on…
Celtic
The ‘orangies, necro and beasties’ argument is similar. None of their partners are complaining.
Joc Stein
No, no, no. Don’t be dense. I don’t at all agree. I was agreeing with you that undoubtedly the next step will be ‘rights’ on the basis that none of the victims, only the tiags are complaining.
Jinky
Well, I couldn’t see how we were to construe “None of their Orange partners are complaining” any other way. But I will accept what you say based on your qualification. You should have qualified it the way you just did to make your position clear. Sorry from my end for misunderstanding you.
Animal lover
Sick f*cks….I wish the worst on you sick bastards, hope someone or something rapes you see how you like it.
Matty's church
to all the “orangies” or “animal lovers” or whatever, You claim its you “right”, and its better to have sex with an animal than to eat it? Tell me, How can you prove the animal is willing? I don’t think you can. Therefore what you do is rape as well! Now excuse me while I go puke! Jesus’s return draws near!!
Gabacho loco
scottishfarts
pretty soon the animals will be stalking their masters-partners and will be sued for rape and indecent exposure
monk
I guess I’m a freak for being celibate all these years. Sex with animals? That doesn’t sound right to me.
Antigun
yes but funny enough its fine to own a gun which can kill… given the choice I’d prefer the neighbour that owned a horse.
Royal Black
“To all you nay-sayers, I suggest you do some research & get your FACTS straight when you make pronouncements like ’sickko’ & such.”Apprentice Boy
HAHAHAYou sayt hat people that have sex with animals are sick… but some of you are even sicker…
Royal Black Chapter
I love this blog. It’s like a zombie movie, but the characters are not dead, just hopelessly and blindly absorbed with themselves. Zoophiles who think they are in romantic love with animals, Nazis who blame Jews for their beer guts, hemorrhoids and jock itch, Christians who believe that every word of the Bible is direct communication from an all-powerful invisible friend. Then there is Royal Black, whose members somehow understand how a horse emotionally interprets sex with a human.
Celt
…and I REALLY love animals. I consider my dogs to be friends. I truly love them dearly. I understand communication and affection across species. But I’m not sticking my dick in them. That’s disgusting…and nothing more than what I think.
Assisi
Thank you for remaining human, and sensible, knowing your place, your pets’ place and where to put your Johnson and where not to.
Papal nuncio
I totally agree. Disgusting, Sick, sick, sick. And stupid.
Reverend Mother
Thanks to you, too. Your input to this seems consistently sane. I appreciate that your “weapon of choice” is common sense. The only thing that borders on the insane is that both of us are spending time addressing orangies, Nazis, fundies and others who care absolutely nothing about what anyone else thinks or says.
Provisional
So it’s OK to have sex with animals, as long as they don’t get hurt?
What does one do, ask the horse if he likes getting porked in the ass by a pervert?
Chauvinist
So this is How Swine flu ….was able to cross transmute .
Jung
im sorry but anyone what wants to have sex with an animal isn’t right in the head, there is nothing natural, its not ethical and itss just plain weird.
Iris
people will have sex with anything these days, makes you sick.
Heavy Metal
i read an article about a guy who had sex with his car, thats pretty disturbing.
Irish Bishop
first of all what nasty son of a bitch would want to sleep with a smelly animal. Second of all the male parts on these animals is disqusting. Completely gross, This world is coming to an end. who cares what feels good. just because it feels good doesn’t mean it is moral and right. People just can go around an do whatever they want. It is completely disqusting and I hope everyone who does this will burn in hell. and they probably will. What a sick world this has come too. Not to mention that is how Aids came about, some sick fucker slept with a monkey. probably how the swine flu came about. And the animal doesn’t get hurt. animals have a sense of right and wrong, they know that it’s not right. not to mention it would also be like, well I can sleep with my house keeper, because she is less of a species than me, as long as I don’t hurt her. Go to church people, this road is going to send you all straight to hell
Hibernian
What the f**cks wrong with all the do gooders, the is no GOD and if there were a GOD he wouldn’t have allowed such things to on. I don’t agree with animale sex altho i have done it as a dare when i was younger, now days i would rather a 3 some with a couple. GOD is a fairytale made up many years ago, he never was and never will be. Get over it and leave people to there own doings.
Clonard Monastery
I say to each his own. I mean as long as no person or beast is harmed there shouldn’t be a problem. I personally never participated in it but there are things I do that would be frowned upon andI wouldn’t want to be judged by it. As far as the Bible goes yes it does say its ok to kill someone that does this but it also says your children should be put to death for cursing at you or being a brat… so what does that tell you? Everyone has there things the do behind closed door and its usually the 1st ones the point the finger who have the biggest secret. No one is perfect so we should be so harsh and so quick to judge.
Alliance
SHOULDN’T be so harsh an so quick to judge*
Feminist
This is about abusive power not sex, hence this is why I’d expect a few Bilderbergers to be doing this kind of thing.
Sister Mary
Most sensible answer yet. and the truest…
There are two basic reasons why this is occurring.1) The spread of Pagan Practices by the CONDEMNED Tribe of Dan from antiquity.2) The continued deliberate undermining of the word of God and destruction of Morals and family values by the same God-less beings and the Secret Societies they belong to. Read the book “The Curse of Canaan” a Demonology of History By Eustace Mullins for a concise well researched book on untold, behind the scenes history you are not meant to know about. Reality is stranger than fiction and this is not fiction! Remember, God has no secrets with his children…so who does?
Lapsed Vegetarian
Wait a minute, you mean after some perverted farmers and their friends have sex with their cows and pigs…they import them to America and we’ve been eating them? No wonder Organic Home Grown was invented. Gotta go and brush my teeth I just had a BLT.
Gun conrol
So what if people fuck animals?
At least they don’t go around shooting children i schools…
Socialist
It’s funny when fucking idiots want to control other people’s lives when they are having fun. I believe that if both of the subjects are not hurt and that both subjects don’t mined intercourse with each other (in mined the human being the one receiving action from the animal) I believe that it is not wrong.
Atheist
I can’t believe that something as disturbing as animal brothels exist in British Occupied Ireland.. I don’t understand what kind of loyalist people run them and more importantly pay to sleep with animals. It is certainly a warped society we live in, where this is allowed. And i’m not sure how any country would allow this. I believe there have been countries in the past where pedophilia and necrophilia were also legal, which again is even sicker.
There is something wrong with a country’s society and government that allows legal animal brothels, even worse people defending them and even admitting to being Orangemen. However they put it. Orangemen abuse. They take advantage. They molest animals. Some animals can die such as snakes and chickens and other small beasts. But also it’s a form of cruelty messing with there heads and forcing themselves on animals. I mean if an Orangeman just pounced on a woman in the street and started having sex with her. he’d be quite rightly be seen as a sexual predator.
Orangeman who needs to be stopped and animals need to stop suffering in silence
California babble
I think everyone is missing the point. People who have sex with animals are obviously missing something in their life and trying to fill it with this. If we actually address real human needs instead of pigeon holing everyone, this sort of thing would not be so prolific. Everyone needs to stop the hate and get an idea.The Salvation Army
Many Caucasians have 4% Neanderthal DNA, so this kind of practice of having sex with animals is normal for them. Please do the research and you will find this to be a scientific fact.
In Northern Ireland - A Grotesque Carnivals of Vilification
By Finian Cunninghamuly 14, 2013 "Information Clearing House - To many people around the world, the violence in Northern Ireland this weekend may seem incomprehensible. After all, it is nearly 15 years since the political conflict in the British province of Ireland was officially declared over, with the signing of the.
That agreement was meant to signal the peaceful end of a nearly 30-year conflict that cost the lives of more than 3,000 people, which proportionate to the population of Northern Ireland represented a huge number of deaths.
Now it appears that street violence has once again returned with scenes over the weekend from the main city Belfast looking like a war zone. Dozens of policemen were injured in riots, properties and vehicles were set ablaze, family homes were targeted by petrol bombs and hundreds of police reserves had to be flown in from England, Scotland and Wales to back up the overstretched security forces.
Adding to the bewilderment of observers is that the rioting crowds are supporters of a seemingly arcane institution called the Orange Order. Their members dress with strange-looking orange-coloured sashes, wear quaint black bowler hats and carry swords and flags to commemorate a battle that occurred more than 320 years ago between rival Protestant and Catholic English kings on Irish soil.
The commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, in which Protestant King William of Orange defeated the Catholic King James, is held every year on the 12th July. The annual Orange marches are held by Protestant descendants of British settlers who invaded the North of Ireland as part of Britain’s colonial conquest and demographic engineering against the native, mainly Catholic Irish.
The truth is that every year these marches are accompanied by violence, even in recent years of so-called peace. Why? Because the Orange Order was from its inception nearly 200 years ago set up deliberately as a sectarian instrument of British colonial domination in Ireland. The Order was exclusively Protestant, pro-British and rabidly anti-Catholic. The British colonial authorities fomented the Order and its vicious sectarianism as a way of driving a wedge between the communities and in particular to subjugate the rebellious Irish.
British partition of Ireland in 1921 into a nominally independent southern state and a British-run northern province has always been a bone of contention for the northern pro-independence Irish. They have felt alienated within a British gerrymandered northern state, denied of their national rights and dominated by a false pro-British Protestant majority. For the maintenance of this injustice, successive British governments have relied on the sectarianism of the Orange Order to enforce their unlawful imperialist presence in Ireland.
Every year, the pro-British Orangemen would march through the mainly Catholic nationalist villages, towns and areas of Belfast in a demonstration of the second-class status that the native Irish were assigned by the British authorities. The Orange Order and its triumphal boorish marches were aimed at denigrating the Irish Catholics, to remind them that the British state bestowed its favor on the Protestant, pro-Unionist community. The marchers would be draped with British Union flags and the foulest insults would be chanted or sung while the processions passed by Catholic homes and churches.
One of the popular songs of hatred sung by the Orangemen is ‘The Sash’. With drums banging out the rhythm, the marchers would sing: “We’re up to our knees in Fenian blood.” Can you imagine the humiliation and terror that Catholic households must have felt during these grotesque carnivals of vilification conducted right outside their homes?
Here is another example of the depraved mentality of these Orange marches. In one mainly Catholic area of Belfast called the Lower Ormeau a group of five unarmed men in a sporting office was slaughtered by a British paramilitary death squad in 1992. In subsequent years when the Orange marchers would parade past the Catholic residents, the Orangemen would in unison raise their arms with five fingers pointed at the households and neighbors of the murdered men. That was meant as a sickening degradation of that community aimed to demonstrate British-state-sanctioned superiority of the Orangemen.
Typically, the 12th July marches - thousands of them all across the British territory of Northern Ireland - would proceed in the morning through the Catholic areas on the way to a designated gathering point for dozens of Orange lodges emanating from different directions. All day in the field, the Orangemen and their paramilitary supporters would listen to bloodcurdling speeches denouncing Catholics as “enemies of the British state”. Copious amounts of alcohol would be consumed to fire up the hatred.
Then in the evening, the Orange marchers would make their return procession through the same Catholic areas that they had debased earlier that day. That is when the violence would often ignite, mostly provoked by the Orange side. To compare the Orange Order to the Ku Klux Klan is a fair assessment. Can you imagine the KKK being allowed to march through an African-American district of New York, Los Angeles or Georgia? Maybe a few centuries ago such a supremacist provocation could have happened against African-Americans. But only a few years ago, in the heyday of the British Orange state of Northern Ireland with its state-sanctioned discrimination against Catholics, the Orange Order would be fully facilitated in its provocative marches by the mainly Protestant-manned police force; and all with British government tacit approval from London.
Today, such outrageous state backing of sectarian provocation and humiliation is no longer acceptable or countenanced. The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 stipulated “equality” for all cultural traditions in Northern Ireland. The Police Service of Northern Ireland replaced the hated sectarian and death-squad-colluding Royal Ulster Constabulary, and a Parades Commission was set up to restrain the worst excesses of the Orange Order.
Nevertheless, it is still reprehensible that any Catholic community in Northern Ireland should have to endure any level of sectarian menace from the Orange Order and its paramilitary supporters. The latest violence in Northern Ireland has flared because the Parades Commission ruled that the Orangemen could not make their “traditional” return march through the Catholic North Belfast area of Ardoyne. During the decades of conflict, the community in Ardoyne saw hundreds of its people killed by British-state-sanctioned Protestant death squads. Yet, the same like-minded bigots in the Orange Order are aggrieved because their days of coat-trailing triumphalism through Catholic areas like the Ardoyne are now on the wane.
The Orange Order and its supporters make the absurd claim that such restrictions amount to “an erosion” of Pro-British Protestant culture. Of course, British media and politicians in London are wringing their hands over the latest upsurge in Orange violence.
London-appointed Northern Ireland minister Theresa Villiers said of the mayhem this weekend: “This sort of behavior does nothing to promote ‘Britishness’ or the pro-Union cause.”
Ms Villiers and her London government are woefully ignorant of history or are feigning ignorance. For it is precisely British colonial policy in Northern Ireland that instigated and fomented the sectarian psychosis of the Orange Order and its followers over many centuries and until recently. Every year, Irish people, both Catholic as well as many decent Protestants, have to endure the hate-filled legacy of British misrule in Ireland. The only viable long-term solution to Ireland’s ongoing political problem is for the British government to remove its unlawful imperialist presence in Northern Ireland, give way to long-denied Irish self-determination, and for the British misrulers to take their poisonous sectarianism with them.
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divided as separate people. As long as the divided colonies do not make a serious effort to reach across the dividing line and respect the other half, the legacy of the British policies of divide and conquer will subjugate both sides. British mistreated the indigenous people of the colonies
as worthless animals, while they robbed them of their natural resources. British destroyed the humanity within their colonies, to me it seems like the Orange Order itself is victim of destruction by the British Colonialism.
Wherever the British have been, they have left division all around the world. They invented the Concentration camp and were engaged in a holocaust in Ireland that disappeared more than 6 and quarter million people.
Irish republicans do not engage in sectarianism, which is the anthitesis of what the principles of republicanism is about. Republicanism was taken to Ireland after the French revolution by Protestant leaders who originally established it in Ireland, where it still has many Protestant members.
Many if not most of active republicans are not in fact religious at all but British propaganda world wide like the BBC world service broadcast this lie world wide.
The problem is British colonialism. Currently despite a Peace Process in British Occupied Ireland they are politically interning Irish people without trial. For details seewww.releasemartincorey.com
When the population of any given nation begons to aggregate around social justice issues, demands for sane foreign and economic policy and cares and protections for the poor, the old clubs of division march against to their own drummers seeking marchers for their causes unknowingly dividing and conquering themselves in this way/
It's deceptive rhetorics that incite such arcane battles to rise up as memorials to days gone by past glories or newfound radical resistance against established orders. Is it really important if one is a Cathilic, Protestant, Millenial generation x,er or a baby boomer, liberal, conservative, gay straight or Jewish, Christian Islamic or other? Why do people even bring up these lines in human sands and instigate tensions between peoples? Is it history repeating itself, is it society so enthralled with combative competitiveness between sects, parties, money making and gun weilding prowess that we humans prefer agumentative hate fests to community appreciation days, acceptance of others as they are??? Is this natural for citizens under duress of bankers barkers and press charlatans to bicker and fight incessantly while their commons are brutally raped and pillaged by fat cats and their bullshit spewing theoreticians ? It may well be that the common folks of common bonds under the quack boots of empire cant get our shit together to mount a couter reprisal to the divisionists among us and in this state, we just bicker as neros fiddle while our neighborhoods burn down along ethnic, generational and egotistical lines in our sands not even drawn by us, but obeyed none the less by our lives. How often do Catholics get along well with Protesatants, how often to Gays get along well with straights, liberals with conservative, baby boomers with millenials, crats with gop, crown royals with their peon subjects? The answer is most of the time but as we see those nice times of congeniality, cooperative common bonds of poverty and human need for love make us friends rather than competitors.
Finian writes this up well, he decides not to throw wood on the fire and just decry the wrangling over old hurts and restates that Northern Ireland has troubles along political lines drawn on religious scripts, the religion is nothing, the politics is the problem, but look above, whom seeks to blame evry human toil trouble and burden on one thing alone when it is known, even in middle eastern strifes that reliion has nothing to do with the wars, it;s politicians exploiting writers bents of various sectarian divisions and sicking them on their quarry after pinching their hearts then blaming it on their religious counterparts. To my eyes, the worsening of these divisions isnt a natural thing at all, but a deviant strain of hatred encouraged by alpha dogs of their respective realms trying to aggregate power via fear of others under their domain names and auspicies, it isnt about people undying anomosity against each other, it;s about the instigators of such divisions remaining hidden behind the veils of their snarky and hatefully disgraced clubs/
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