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MH370 detected above Malacca Straits at 2.40am
Malaysiakini via Yahoo ^ | 3/11/2014 | Malaysiakini
Posted on 3/11/2014 3:58:23 PM by MrShoop

The search for Malaysian Airlines MH307 plane has been expanded to Sumatran waters, north of Straits of Malacca, as military radar may have detected the missing plane in the vicinity of Pulau Perak.

A Berita Harian report today quoted the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) as saying the plane may have reversed course further than expected while on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Air Force chief Rodzali Daud ( left ) is quoted as saying that based on military radar readings from its station in Butterworth, MH370 may have turned west after Kota Bahru and flew past the east coast and Kedah.

"The last time the plane was detected was near Pulau Perak, in the Straits of Malacca, at 2.40am," Berita Harian quotes Rodzali as saying.

This contradicts with earlier reports that the aircraft had disappeared from radar screens 120 nautical miles off Kota Bharu and over the South China Sea, at 1.30am on March 8.

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) had previously said the search for the Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, which is missing for the fourth day, had previously been focused around the waters between East Malaysia and Vietnam.

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KEYWORDS: aviation; malaysia; mh370; planecrash
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To: MrShoop
Hmmmm...Pulau Perak a westerly heading than planned Flight Plan.... Now If you go to Google earth and extend the line..
It leads to Somalia.. Only 3500 miles, well in the range of that aircraft.
Flying low to avoid radar...
Just Sayin...

51 posted on 3/11/2014 8:48:15 PM by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: AlexW
“Why would they select one single plane to destroy?”

Sometimes a government will put spy cameras on a commercial plane and have it fly over some sensitive place. A real “spy plane” would be detected, but a commercial plane, maybe would be given a pass.

Like KAL 007, shot down by Russia after they overflew Soviet submarine pens.

I doubt that is the case here, though.


52 posted on 3/11/2014 8:53:44 PM by DBrow
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To: House Atreides
I have been thinking the same thing since last night. The plane might have been taken over by terrorist and shot out of the sky by the Chinese or Malaysian air force.
53 posted on 3/11/2014 8:54:40 PM by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: yldstrk
Maybe. However I suspect they are stumped as well.

But for a large air liner to splash into the sea, in some of the busiest shipping lanes on earth, makes me wonder if they are looking for the right thing.

Is there a spot on land that the plan could have crashed that is remote enough to miss?


54 posted on 3/11/2014 8:59:47 PM by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: stlnative
But how could the transponder and tracking systems have been turned off?


55 posted on 3/11/2014 9:00:05 PM by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Robe
I kind of think this is a clue:

“its transponder and other tracking systems were off.”

Also flying a few thousand feet below its last radar fix.

Sounds to me like plane made left turn, decending to get into the east west flight lanes and heading for, well, what could be west of where they were? TADA: Eastern coast of Africa. 777btw has a range of over 8000 miles with full fuel load. I don’t think we have a mechanical problem here. Pilot error or errored pilot perhaps.


56 posted on 3/11/2014 9:00:15 PM by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: BeadCounter; TomGuy
From BeadCounter's link:
Seventh paragraph down ... Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said the two men had travelled from Qatar's capital Doha on their Iranian passports, and switched to stolen Italian and Austrian passports to board the Malaysia Airlines flight.

Good thought by you, TomGuy. Switched/Traded. If switched/traded whom has the switched/traded passports?

57 posted on 3/11/2014 9:09:28 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: All
Military tracked missing plane for at least 100 miles after it vanished from civilian radar - and are sure it made it to Malacca Strait, Malaysian source reveals

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578199/Military-tracked-missing-plane-100-miles-vanished-civilian-radar-sure-Malacca-Strait-Malaysian-source-reveals.html#ixzz2vfBqRucl


58 posted on 3/11/2014 9:11:40 PM by stlnative
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To: Therapsid
it must take a while for a phone system to realize that the phone is not available and for it to move to voice mail.


59 posted on 3/11/2014 9:12:44 PM by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: MrShoop
I know this is not quite near the Horn of Africa or Libya, but maybe this is the first practice shot with some of our stolen MANPADS.


60 posted on 3/11/2014 9:16:25 PM by Patriot95
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To: TomGuy
No sign of terrorism? It looks like a picture from the TV show 24.


61 posted on 3/11/2014 9:17:17 PM by Patriot95
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To: redgolum
“Is there a spot on land that the plan could have crashed that is remote enough to miss?”

You hear of them uncovering planes that crashed during wars sometimes, maybe Vietnam. I would guess a plane could crash in a jungle and be undiscovered for a lengthy period of time.


62 posted on 3/11/2014 9:32:54 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: nanetteclaret
Transponders can be turned to off.


63 posted on 3/11/2014 9:34:23 PM by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: CodeToad
I heard this discussed, not sure if many people would always have the wherewithal to do such.


64 posted on 3/11/2014 9:39:45 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: jughandle
My cell phone goes directly to voicemail if it’s turned off. The caller hears no ring.


65 posted on 3/11/2014 10:40:08 PM by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: TomGuy
Why do both men have the same lower region in the photos? Those are two top halves of different men, but the green pants and shoes — and floor tiles are from one person.


66 posted on 3/11/2014 10:41:06 PM by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: cardinal4
There were graphics showing the US searching the area at the north end of Malacca Strait early to mid day Monday.


67 posted on 3/11/2014 10:42:21 PM by jeffers
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
THAT is a very good question!


68 posted on 3/11/2014 10:42:31 PM by txhurl
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To: no-to-illegals
The passports were probably taken by “Mr. Ali,” the guy who arranged their flights and no doubt provided the stolen passports for them. Personally, I don’t think they were terrorists; just people attempting to sneak into a European country (where at least one of them, the one bound for Frankfurt, already had family).


69 posted on 3/11/2014 10:43:21 PM by livius
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
yep, is starting to get nasty out there ... http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing—says-airline-023820132.html


70 posted on 3/11/2014 10:44:58 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Yep, noticed that too.

Perhaps they thought we’d not notice it, you know, like the Birth Certificate.


71 posted on 3/11/2014 10:46:32 PM by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: livius
I have no idea ... having not been on the plane. Is starting to get nasty though between agencies. Not good and less sharing of information is beginning due to mounting pressure but know not where that pressure is coming from or rather which agency or agencies. Will not be good for future security either in that region of this world. (imho) ... France is taking a lead, of sorts though, and filing charges.


72 posted on 3/11/2014 10:49:26 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Robe
Long before it gets to east Africa it would pass almost directly over Diego Garcia. Clearly we would have known of its approach 1500 klics out. The Indians would have acquired it earlier. It seems certain someone’s radars picked up something on a westerly heading over the Straits at 9,000 meters. Which military’s radar made the contact? Was the sighting reported up the chain? If it was Malaysian with their Brit roots I’d expect details of the contact and reports. Indonesia and Thai,not so much.


73 posted on 3/11/2014 10:50:28 PM by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: everyone
I need to back that last post up ... France is launching a probe into a Manslaughter Investigation regarding the flight.
74 posted on 3/11/2014 10:53:01 PM by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: MrShoop; All
Would a crash on land show up on a seismograph? I wonder if any movement was detected in on land.


75 posted on 3/11/2014 10:56:18 PM by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: MrShoop
..... Perhaps Skyjacking is becoming the technique de jour among the trendy new terror groups?


76 posted on 3/11/2014 11:00:26 PM by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: xkaydet65
First off, we are fed BS by M government and silence by US govt, sooo....nothing is fully believable at this point, however...

US was shown searching west of Malay Peninsula yesterday and did not dispute. Further, US govt said yest no explosion on sat and we looked, (thorough coverage).

Now Malay govt says plane descended, turned west, crossed over, and descended again. Malacca Strait a busy place.

All along, they said it went quiet on original course.

If this is believable and not more BS, it is clear that SOMEBODY turned off all comms, flew the wrong way for a long while, then descended again, and now, the plane isn’t in the water, so it either kept flying and landed somewhere, or it flew on and crashed further west yet.

Again, IF we aren’t hearing more BS, somebody took this plane and most likely still has it.


77 posted on 3/11/2014 11:00:45 PM by jeffers
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To: livius
"I think they’ve determined that the Iranians actually were asylum seekers with no other objective"
What a perfect cover story for prospective terrorists/hijackers.

78 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:23 PM by magellan
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To: jeffers
Cruised or cruise control for an hour?? I heard that was possible per the abbreviated news update.


79 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:31 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
excellent catch


80 posted on 3/11/2014 11:02:32 PM by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: MrShoop
“Malaysia Airlines live: military says last tracked plane hundreds of miles off course
Malaysia’s military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html


81 posted on 3/11/2014 11:04:18 PM by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I think the left man simply had an upper-only pix, and this poster or whomever it is holding it up simply plopped that pix on top of already-posted full pix of other man. Power Point carelessness.


82 posted on 3/11/2014 11:04:29 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SisterK
No, no big deal. See my other post.


83 posted on 3/11/2014 11:05:13 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop
Hard to believe in today’s day of technology that commercial aircraft do not constantly broadcast their flight parameters to a database where it can be retrieved.


84 posted on 3/11/2014 11:06:19 PM by CodeJockey (Christian, Freeper, Tea Party Member, Bitter Clinger, Creepy White Cracker)
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To: jeffers
Lots of things can happen to cause or allow all that. It is not a big shock if the plane went bad and pilots didn’t know where they were going, etc.

I still say no evidence there is any conspiracy here.


85 posted on 3/11/2014 11:11:16 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: BeadCounter
Thinking now is a good time for speculators to shut up.

Just cuz...figure it out.


86 posted on 3/11/2014 11:14:00 PM by jeffers
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Clear weather. Landmasses and sun are hard to miss.

I’m done till I hear....certain things.


87 posted on 3/11/2014 11:15:32 PM by jeffers
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To: magellan
What a perfect cover story for prospective terrorists/hijackers.
That's what I'm thinking

88 posted on 3/11/2014 11:22:26 PM by SteamShovel
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Interesting story here:
Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls

One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

One man said he had convinced two policemen to come to his home Sunday night to witness the active QQ account on his desktop computer. But sometime Monday afternoon, when he wasn’t paying attention, it had suddenly switched off.

Like so many involved, he was now left with even more questions left unanswered. Did the phone’s battery run out? Had sea water damaged it? Was it just a random anomaly of some Internet server? Or was the plane hijacked and still out there somewhere? “I hope someone can answer these questions for me,” he said.

If true, sounds like the plane crashed over land.

89 posted on 3/11/2014 11:24:22 PM by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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To: CedarDave
I did hear about the person being spotted as logged on on QQ.


90 posted on 3/11/2014 11:31:39 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: jeffers
Choice is yours.


91 posted on 3/11/2014 11:35:57 PM by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: MrShoop
That is a long way from where they were supposed to be. Why? A hijacking would kind of make sense, but the pilot could squawk 7500 on the ATC transponder without arousing too much suspicion.


92 posted on 3/11/2014 11:39:14 PM by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BeadCounter
If we knew where it crashed, it would be all over the news. If we knew it crashed, but not where, same deal.

If it didn’t crash, think thru why all the silence..


93 posted on 3/11/2014 11:43:00 PM by jeffers
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To: jeffers
If this is believable and not more BS, it is clear that SOMEBODY turned off all comms, flew the wrong way for a long while, then descended again, and now, the plane isn’t in the water, so it either kept flying and landed somewhere, or it flew on and crashed further west yet. Again, IF we aren’t hearing more BS, somebody took this plane and most likely still has it.
This is what am leaning towards, too..

94 posted on 3/11/2014 11:46:54 PM by cardinal4
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To: jeffers
Sun? In the middle of the night?


95 posted on 3/11/2014 11:51:56 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop












is a puzzlement














96 posted on 3/11/2014 11:53:24 PM by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: CedarDave
I still think it’s totally possible to crash on land. Even the cell phones MIGHT indicate that. (But it may be the service simply kept rolling, not the phone - but I don’t know the protocols of those things.)

If they have plenty of jungle, wild and virtually human-free which I’ve been led to believe they do in Asia, it’s perfectly possible their path went toward land and they crashed unnoticed in some God-forsaken jungle.

Still don’t believe the conspiracies. I have no reason to.


97 posted on 3/11/2014 11:56:51 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: MrShoop
suitcase nuke?


98 posted on 3/11/2014 11:57:51 PM by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: jeffers
Because we wouldn’t know where it is?

Just like now?


99 posted on 3/11/2014 11:58:39 PM by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: xzins
A point that I haven’t seen discussed is that radar will continue to follow a “passive” target, even if every electronic device is disabled. The plane would not just disappear from the screen, only all its ident and altitude information. Has anybody seen a report of anybody asking about this?


100 posted on 3/12/2014 12:01:48 AM by Chaguito
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